Can you stab a prone player

bouf · Post by **bouf** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 3:32 am

I already know the answer is no but here are my circumstances that make me ask.

Stakes made me think its a shame you can't stab a prone player. Lets say that Zara stabs a Ghoul and stuns him. Next turn I need to use a Blitz action to run over to a standing player for a jab. But this guy is right here! If I foul, then I lose my +1 vs Undead from the stakes.

Which got me thinking, if you could stab a prone player with Multiple Block you could really have some fun!

Give the Amazons, Underworld, and Chaos Dwarves (Hobgoblins) a stab positional and you have a fun new dimention to the stab skill.

Imagine a Multiple Block, Dirty Player, Sneaky Git, running about jabbing the prone players! It'd be a hoot!!!

Anyways... I know that you can't stab Prone players & never will. But it'd be good if more teams had access to stab.

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 10:04 pm

ACTUALLY it would be imperative that Stab be mated with Secret Weapon....

Rustycan · Post by **Rustycan** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 6:32 am

Doesnt a Stab action replace a Block action? If so then no, you couldnt Stab a prone player since you cant block a prone one.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 8:15 am

Rustycan wrote:Doesnt a Stab action replace a Block action? If so then no, you couldnt Stab a prone player since you cant block a prone one.

Correct

datalorex · Post by **datalorex** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 1:51 am

Vomit Lickspittle wrote:ACTUALLY it would be imperative that Stab be mated with Secret Weapon....

He gets raped by stab one time and thinks it's broken. lol.

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 10:47 am

The one guarantee in life is that Datalorex never tires of being mistaken....

My opinion/comment comes from many conversations with experienced coach(es)....

I can handle 'em, I rarely play AV7... however, not only are they murder on AV7, but have no intrinsic penalties for not even having to roll block dice....

Thinking in a gestalt gaming manner, Secret Weapon status would be realistic....

Duke Jan · Post by **Duke Jan** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 11:38 am

Stabbing should have the same mechanics as fouling: doubles means you're sent off.

But yes, you can stab a prone player, just declare a foul

Still the +1 fro stakes doesn't count then.

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 5:23 pm

Vomit Lickspittle wrote: but have no intrinsic penalties for not even having to roll block dice....

a)No push on a stab. On a failed Stab the player isn't prone and you're standing right next to him.

b) no SPPs

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Thu Oct 04, 2007 9:39 pm

Snew wrote:
Vomit Lickspittle wrote: but have no intrinsic penalties for not even having to roll block dice....
a)No push on a stab. On a failed Stab the player isn't prone and you're standing right next to him.
b) no SPPs

Whoopitydilgar

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 3:16 pm

Vomit Lickspittle wrote:
Snew wrote:
Vomit Lickspittle wrote: but have no intrinsic penalties for not even having to roll block dice....
a)No push on a stab. On a failed Stab the player isn't prone and you're standing right next to him.
b) no SPPs
Whoopitydilgar

You may be the only person on this board afraid of the skill.

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:32 pm

Snew, get another hobby... please...

My contention is that Stab operates similar to, and on a level, with Secret Weapon, yet does not suffer from removal... or requirement to knock down an opponent... thus is too good for what it does....

If I were "afraid" of 'insignificant flea-biting fears', I wouldn't have the backbone to answer your posts....

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:54 pm

Stab is nothing to worry about.
If you've got a Stab player in your league that is uber-effective, then you're not playing against them properly.
Hell, even the Stab DE player isn't that scary.

Digger Goreman · Post by **Digger Goreman** » Sun Oct 07, 2007 7:18 pm

Stilling the ego is the first part of silence... silence the first part of listening... listening the first part of struggle... struggle the first part of practice... and practice the first part of understanding (success)....

Good luck on the first part of the first part....

Rustycan · Post by **Rustycan** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:02 am

Stab is no big deal guys, besides how many of these DE buggers do you actually run into? Not that many due to the fact that most guys use em to get the big guys, but when the stab fails, the big guy plants them into the turf. And presto! you now have Dark Elf Daisy's!!

Cramy · Post by **Cramy** » Mon Oct 08, 2007 3:19 am

Negatives for Stab:
As Snew mentioned already.
1) No SPPs from stab
2) And a failed stab means that you end-up next to the guy that you failed to stab.

The latter point is big. An Assassin with AV7 and no protection skills goes splat easily.

I've had a few games where my Assassin was very effective. Most of the time though he just get smacked around.

But that's the point with stab. It's a high risk high reward type skill. If it works, great. If it doesn't, you get smacked around.