Hell Mary Pass and Dump-off

Tristelune · Post by **Tristelune** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:03 pm

Hello !

I send the question if the Hell Mary Pass can be used with Dump-off ?
On the two description it isn't say you can't. But in description of Dump-off it's said "make a quick pass" and in HMP description it's said "don't use range ruler"

Thanks

Fab

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 6:21 pm

not sure what you mean

quickpass is one of the ranges on the range ruler used for normal passing

hail mary is a skill in it's own right and you use the rules for that when passing and don't use the range ruler at all

Tristelune · Post by **Tristelune** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:55 pm

Sorry for my English I Edit my post

tenwit · Post by **tenwit** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 7:57 pm

No, you can't use HMP when dumping off. You must make a quick pass. You can use Nerves of Steel, Pass and Accurate, but not Strong Arm or Hail Mary Pass.

Tristelune · Post by **Tristelune** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:50 am

tenwit wrote:No, you can't use HMP when dumping off. You must make a quick pass. You can use Nerves of Steel, Pass and Accurate, but not Strong Arm or Hail Mary Pass.

Ok but where it's write in LRB ?

Nowherre in description of Dump-Off it's write you can only use Nerves of Steel, Pass and Accurate. For Strong arm in the description it's write you can't use for quick-pass. But for HMP nothing.

A new released in LRB6 ?

elfman · Post by **elfman** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 9:31 am

Check Dump-Off's entry on page 44.

Page 44 wrote:"This skill allows the player to make a Quick Pass..... The normal throwing rules apply...

Hail Mary Pass is not a normal throw because it can never be accurate etc.

Ullis · Post by **Ullis** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:23 am

Tenwit's post makes more sense if you think in terms of benefiting. Strong Arm won't do you any good since you can only make a Quick Pass and Strong Arm only helps when making Short and longer passes.

As already mentioned, you can only make a Quick pass with Dump Off. Making a Quick pass requires that the range ruler be used, since that's the only way for a pass to quality as a Quick Pass (or Short Pass, Long Pass or Long Bomb). HMP doesn't use the range ruler. Even if you aim the HMP pass at 1 squares distance from the passer, it's still just a "HMP pass".

Wylder · Post by **Wylder** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 10:46 am

Good grief.

Rulebook or no, if I was ever playing against anyone who tried to use HMP on a dump off, I think I'd have to punch them.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 12:30 pm

I do not consider the rulebook unclear on this. Dump Off is limited to Quick Pass range which is clearly a use of the range ruler by definition.

Galak

Tristelune · Post by **Tristelune** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:12 pm

No problemo I think it's good like that but I prefered be sure.

Add HMP in skills can't be use with Dump-off isn't be hard or add it to the FAQ

Thanks for all answer

alternat · Post by **alternat** » Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:18 am

no need of any FAQ.
With DUmp Off, when you get blitzed you can make only a Quick Pass, not an Hail Mary Pass.

they are two different things. HMP is not a pass option, is a game mechanic that follows different rules.