Piling On

[Aliboon]

Hello all,

I had a bit of a search, but couldn't find the answer I'm afraid.

If you chose to use Piling On, do you have to go with the 2nd roll, or could you chose to have the first roll? Reading through the skill it just says you may chose to reroll the AV or INJ roll and I would assume that you would have to go with the 2nd roll, but I'm not 100% sure.

A good case would be if you passed the AV roll and got a KO, it's good and probably not worth the risk of just having a stun if you rerolled it, but if you could keep it and have the chance of the CAS, it would be worth rerolling.

[Carnis]

Gotta go with the second roll. It's not written into the skill, but it's the same with all rerolls. If you reroll an inaccurate pass with the pass skill, and roll a fumble on the reroll its still a fumble, you cant go back.

If you roll a KO on the first half, and already have a significant man advantage, or have the MB skill unused, it can often be worth it to reroll KOs too. Still, you sometimes end up stuffed and get a stunned result instead. Stunned isn't that bad though if you're looking for CAS, you can foul him next turn!

[Oxynot]

Piling On reroll is just like any other reroll. You have to take the new result even if it's worse that what you started with.

In essence you have a roll, and if you choose to reroll it, the old roll is disregarded and the new one stands. No backsies.

In the rulebook chapter Re-rolls page 14:

The result of the new roll must be accepted in
place of the first, even if it is worse.

Though it is written in the part for team re-rolls, it applies. So technically you could argue it, but I would not advise it Then you could start ignoring pass rerolls if they ended up in a fumble instead of a inacccurate pass etc.

[Aliboon]

Thanks, it is one of those things which I'd always thought was the case, without really knowing why (same with player rerolls). It would be a very bad case of rules lawyering to argue that because the text says that the new roll must apply only appears in the team reroll section, then you would get to chose with player rerolls!

[funnyfingers]

Phew I almost thought I read that you could reroll the piling on roll! That would be crazy:)

[khudzlin]

the only time you get to keep the original result when you reroll is with the apo, because it's specifically mentioned

for all other rerolls, you have to go with the new result

[Popper]

Sorry for the partial thread-necro, but i thought it was best to keep questions on the same skill in one thread.

I'm considering taking Piling on for my kroxigor (if he doesn't roll doubles), but I'm having a hard time figuring out how the rule actually works.

Must i declare "piling on" once the enemy player goes down - before any armor penetration rolls have been made

or

Can I choose to use Piling on after the first AV and injury rolls have been made.


The rules for the skill only say that it can be used after the player has made a block/blitz. Unlike the Mighty blow rules, which specify that it can be used after a roll has been made.

[Grumbledook]

All skills can be used after seeing the dice roll

it says that in the rules, can't recall which page off the top of my head tho

[Popper]

ah, right. Found it on page 14 of the LRB5 & Competition rules pdf.

[Darkson]

Can I choose to use Piling on after the first AV and injury rolls have been made.

Not quite.

Roll AV.
Decide to use Piling On or not.
If you Break AV, roll Injury.
If you didn't use PO on the AV roll, you can use it on the Injury roll.

You don't roll both AV and Inj before PO.