Hypnotic Gaze

stashman · Post by **stashman** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:14 pm

Hypnotic Gaze (Extraordinary)
The player has a powerful telepathic ability that he can use to stun an
opponent into immobility. The player may use hypnotic gaze at the end
of his Move Action on one opposing player who is in an adjacent square.
Make an Agility roll for the player with hypnotic gaze, with a -1 modifier
for each opposing tackle zone on the player with hypnotic gaze other
than the victim's. If the Agility roll is successful, then the opposing player
loses his tackle zones and may not catch, intercept or pass the ball,
assist another player on a block or foul, or move voluntarily until the start
of his next action or the drive ends. If the roll fails, then the hypnotic gaze
has no effect.

If my vampire gaze a player with side step skill and I manage to roll a succes, then when I block the gazed player can he still use his side step?

Pug · Post by **Pug** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:21 pm

hmmm. I'd say yes , the Side Step is negated and they get a face full of knuckles without them realising!

Day-dream and they get someone to punch you without you realising.!

purdindas · Post by **purdindas** » Sun Mar 29, 2009 11:40 pm

I'll go with pug on that one.

SBG · Post by **SBG** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:36 am

I'd say no, because of the reddened text in the initial post.

Fred

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 12:51 am

IIRC we had this discussion before and being pushed back is not voluntary movement. So you can still pick where to be pushed back too.

You cannot pass block or shadow though.

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:11 am

Good question.

Ian - off the top of my head, I'd be inclined to rule the other way.

Choosing where to Sidestep to seems as much a voluntary move as Shadowing.

The name of the Hypnotic Gaze skill and it's Vampire spirit seem to suggest that the victim has been hypnotised, i.e. turned into a sort of dazed, blank state,with no "will" of his/her/its own. Now I know that arguing on the basis of the spirit of the rules is not always safe, but I think it helps quite a bit here.

All the best.

reservoirelves · Post by **reservoirelves** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 2:13 am

Getting pushed back isn't voluntary and since Sidestep doesn't require a tackle zone to use you can use it while gazed.

You can argue that you shouldn't be able to use SS without a tackle zone (which is a reasonable position) but you would have to get the rules changed to make that official.

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 5:59 am

I'm not disputing that being pushed back is involuntary movement.

What I'm arguing is that choosing which square to be pushed back to constitutes voluntary movement. I'm open-minded about the rule and its resoulution, but I think mine is a reasonable prima facie position to argue from.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 6:18 am

Its reasonable, but wrong

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 9:49 am

Spirit of the rules, no, you couldn't use Side Step.

Rules as written, yes you can - the same with Stand Firm.

Personally, I'm happy with the rules as written, so don't see any need to change.

sumbloke · Post by **sumbloke** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:16 am

And unlike cricket (and a few other sports) there's no "Spirit of the Laws" rule.

Pug · Post by **Pug** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:19 am

Play "Spirit of the Rules"....it's not chess, its a comedy fantasy sports game!

Anyone hear about the Leaping Minotaur at WaterBowl??..!

thechosengobbo · Post by **thechosengobbo** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:37 am

Pug wrote:Anyone hear about the Leaping Minotaur at WaterBowl??..!

Was in the car when Grom first mentioned it (on the way home from Poo Bowl)

ninjahamster · Post by **ninjahamster** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 11:45 am

Anyone hear about the Leaping Minotaur at WaterBowl??..!

100% success record!

Smeborg · Post by **Smeborg** » Mon Mar 30, 2009 7:14 pm

Ian (and others) - I'd like to continue this debate a little, as I can't manage yet to wrap my feeble brain around your interpretation (and I'm trying quite hard!).

I accept that being pushed back does not constitute voluntary movement, if you are pushed back to where your opponent says. However, once you choose to be pushed back to a particular square (rather than to the square that your opponent would like to push you into) then that introduces your player's "will", making the movement voluntary.

That is how I interpret the rule as written.

If the only forbidden "voluntary movements" are intended to be Shadowing and Pass Block, then I suggest that the Hypnotic Gaze rule should be re-written to explicitly state this, as that would be much clearer than the current general wording.