Painted miniatures rule
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- Icedman
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I have to agree with Zombie on this one; last league we increased our little BB group from 5 to 7 by adding 2 players that had never even looked at a GW game before (one of them paints the minis, but doesn't play, the other one had never seen the stuff). Couple that with how hard it is to actually get BB minis in Australia (i got my actual Chaos team 3 games before we finished the league), and you really won't pull many new players into the game.
The thing with BB is, despite what GW says, its actually THE easiest game to teach someone; only 4 stats, the 2 basic teams show the 2 primary sides to the game, the 'basic' and 'advanced' rules set (yea, i've seen the other threads about 'basic' vs 'advanced' rules), not throwing bucketfuls of dice, remembering who's got 2 wounds left, who's used their 1-shot kill machine, etc. Therefore, BB is more likely to pull in new players and KEEP them; and not all new players are painters (heck, the non-painter isn't even really interested in playing in the current league, but that might be because my Skaven bash his Humans into a bloody pulp every time we meet ), so some kind of rules set rewarding/penalising painted/unpainted figs would hurt the game in terms of bringing new talent in.
Unfortunately, Marcus deleted the actual point of the thread, so i never got to see the propositions, but as it seems to have turned into a discussion on painting vs no, I thought I'd have a say on that topic.
The thing with BB is, despite what GW says, its actually THE easiest game to teach someone; only 4 stats, the 2 basic teams show the 2 primary sides to the game, the 'basic' and 'advanced' rules set (yea, i've seen the other threads about 'basic' vs 'advanced' rules), not throwing bucketfuls of dice, remembering who's got 2 wounds left, who's used their 1-shot kill machine, etc. Therefore, BB is more likely to pull in new players and KEEP them; and not all new players are painters (heck, the non-painter isn't even really interested in playing in the current league, but that might be because my Skaven bash his Humans into a bloody pulp every time we meet ), so some kind of rules set rewarding/penalising painted/unpainted figs would hurt the game in terms of bringing new talent in.
Unfortunately, Marcus deleted the actual point of the thread, so i never got to see the propositions, but as it seems to have turned into a discussion on painting vs no, I thought I'd have a say on that topic.
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At the end of the day the question is:
Do I want to play BB agaisnt umpainted figs or not?
I agree that painting can be good for stress... unless you have some 2 or 3 child (aged 6 to 10) around asking to paint also!!!!!!!!!
And if your results are.... like mine, it wouldn't be good for stress neither, because you just feel that you were losing time....
This can look weird to "painting people" but for us, "non painting people" the hard time doesn't start with the brush, it starts when you pick the fig and think: were does that damm thing starts, or ends? I was thinking of using 3 basic colours to my figs... but what damm colours will I use there and there?
But I admit that: painting isn't so hard after you started... is like making home repairs or something like it - the worst part is starting.
And I admit that even my poor goblins look better after I tried to paint them.... well, they look a little better than in metal, I mean/hope....
But, at the end of the day the question really is: what do you prefer? playing more coachs, and new coachs, without painted figs, or play only painted figs?
Of course playing painted figs is better, or looks better... but in my small league no team is halfway painted, and I don't see it to be a problem, at least we are playing!!
But if you really want to go for a "painted figs rule" I would start it by: "if a coach doesn't make any effort to".... perhaps the funniest coach (or one of the best) doesn't ahve the time/skill needed to actually paint his team... but surely he can do an effort - if YOU don't fall on the floor , that's it!!...
Do I want to play BB agaisnt umpainted figs or not?
I agree that painting can be good for stress... unless you have some 2 or 3 child (aged 6 to 10) around asking to paint also!!!!!!!!!
And if your results are.... like mine, it wouldn't be good for stress neither, because you just feel that you were losing time....
This can look weird to "painting people" but for us, "non painting people" the hard time doesn't start with the brush, it starts when you pick the fig and think: were does that damm thing starts, or ends? I was thinking of using 3 basic colours to my figs... but what damm colours will I use there and there?
But I admit that: painting isn't so hard after you started... is like making home repairs or something like it - the worst part is starting.
And I admit that even my poor goblins look better after I tried to paint them.... well, they look a little better than in metal, I mean/hope....
But, at the end of the day the question really is: what do you prefer? playing more coachs, and new coachs, without painted figs, or play only painted figs?
Of course playing painted figs is better, or looks better... but in my small league no team is halfway painted, and I don't see it to be a problem, at least we are playing!!
But if you really want to go for a "painted figs rule" I would start it by: "if a coach doesn't make any effort to".... perhaps the funniest coach (or one of the best) doesn't ahve the time/skill needed to actually paint his team... but surely he can do an effort - if YOU don't fall on the floor , that's it!!...
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I like to have painted figures, but at the speed I paint it will be a while before the full team is done
In our league it is a bonus at the moment if you are fielding the correct figs so I guess i'm ahead on that basis even with only one painted player
In our league it is a bonus at the moment if you are fielding the correct figs so I guess i'm ahead on that basis even with only one painted player
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[size=75]The short answer is "no", but it is a qualified "no" because there are odd ways of interpreting the question which could justify the answer "yes".[/size]
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Yeah, playing with/against painted minis is really nice; my Chaos team played their last 3 games fully pianted....
But the way I see it (maybe coz we've had 2 use stand-ins for just about every game we play ), playing with what you've got is fine, as long as you're willing to cut me some time-slack while I ask you who's where every turn.
Painted, accurate minis are definately good, but AFAIC they're just the icing on the rather sweet (or maybe bitter) game of BB.
But the way I see it (maybe coz we've had 2 use stand-ins for just about every game we play ), playing with what you've got is fine, as long as you're willing to cut me some time-slack while I ask you who's where every turn.
Painted, accurate minis are definately good, but AFAIC they're just the icing on the rather sweet (or maybe bitter) game of BB.
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I ran i league back in -98 where we all agreed upon this rule to encurage ppl to paint their models. It not very punitive and easy to use. You still can play with a few unpainted models, but in the long run your FF will suffer.
And just to empishise, this is a house rule. That means that I will not force anyone of you to use this. We liked it.
And just to empishise, this is a house rule. That means that I will not force anyone of you to use this. We liked it.
Playing with unpainted models is not encuraged. At the start of the game (before anything else), roll 2D6. Teams with '1' in Fan Factor does not roll. If the sum is equal or less then the number of unpainted/unrepresentative models (including Apothecaries, but excluding Head Coach, Assisting Coaches and Cheerleaders), One of the teams Fan Factor moved over to 'Annoyed Fans'. The Fans does not like to watch crappy players! The Annoyed Fans counts towards Team Rating, but may not in any way be used as a real Fan Factor, as the Fans stays home in discust. If the roll was 10+ you may transfer back one Annoyed Fan to the Fan Factor.
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Well, that I really cann't explain.... for that you have to see me painting!!....and four pages later i still don't understand why some people think it's so damn hard to just paint 16 stinking miniatures in a mediocre fashion...
16!
Actually painting to a bad standard should be fast... if only I knew how!!!
I can try to explain: do you know that dry brushing thing? You undercoat it in black, just drybrush it with some colours et voilà - a good playing fig?!? Well, I cann't do it... I would love to, but I just cann't, so I have to do it the harder way - try to paint it "right", and try, and try, and try... until I give up - then the fig is painted!!....
Actually I have some 20 figs painted, but I'm also painting 2 teams for my older sons.... so.... no team painted yet....
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But I have a big advantage.... I do not intend to take my figs near a "painter" gamer... who would by all the floor....at least you're trying... the majority of the anti-painting rule lobby seems just plain lazy...
Or worst would look at them and not even laught....
Well, actually.... if I get a way to go to Nottingham.... perhaps the other coach lost his focus.... he laughts, I win... it's fair....
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Now I'm a sh#t painter and no one has ever been rude about my efforts - and there are some really talented guys in our league.Joaquim wrote:But I have a big advantage.... I do not intend to take my figs near a "painter" gamer... who would by all the floor....
In my experience good paint jobs get praised, bad ones ignored.
Ian
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