Buffing kick off return?

Carnis · Post by **Carnis** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:20 am

Hey,

I may be in a minority, but my feel is KOR is just not worth the 20k TV that it costs. Hence I wonder if houseruled leagues could benefit from buffing it a bit.

My suggestion is that in addition to the +3 move at the kick it gives +1 to the pickup on the first turn of the drive of the receiving team. Explanation being the player is a specialist in start of drive plays. This would vastly improve the odds of pickups in zones after blitz!'s, picking up with low AG teams like khemri. And I think it might be worth it for dwarf runner style teams as well, while not being too powerful as it does nothing on the other turns of the half. Any opinions?

inkpwn · Post by **inkpwn** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 11:58 am

Kick of return does not need a buff.
Also, kick off return and diving catch is a pretty bust combo, try it out.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:39 pm

Don't think it needs a buff. Seen a lot of players choose to take it (including myself). My Slann team has 2 Catchers with Kick-off Return (a guaranteed free catch roll for a ball landing in any of the back 9 rows).

Tom

garion · Post by **garion** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:54 pm

naa, no buff needed, it does a job. I think it is a nice 6th skill on dwarf runners, slann catchers, not that many players really, but it works well on a few of the slow teams to protect your self from Blitz mostly.

Still... would never have it twice it 1 team mind. Thats too much of a TV bloat for a sub par skill for me anyway.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:38 pm

In a house-ruled league, that seems ok.

Smurf · Post by **Smurf** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 12:25 am

Teams with ag access could choose Sure Feet as it gives you extra move all of the time.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:32 am

What's that got to do with buffing KOR?

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 5:00 pm

What about moving KOR until after the kickoff table? That would be an instant buff, because it would enhance its utility on 5/6 of all Weather rolls (KOR after scatter), representing 5/36 of all rolls, plus all High Kick (use somebody else) rolls, another 1/9, totaling 1/4 so far. Plus, it would have enhanced utility in the face of a Blitz, and maybe Perfect Defence.

Nikolai II · Post by **Nikolai II** » Fri Oct 14, 2011 10:01 pm

mattgslater wrote: Plus, it would have enhanced utility in the face of a Blitz.

Sometimes reduced utility? If the blitzer manages to move a guy in beneath the ball while the KOR guy is waiting?

And what happens if the KOR guy gets marked during the blitz?

garion · Post by **garion** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 6:50 am

Nikolai II wrote:
mattgslater wrote: Plus, it would have enhanced utility in the face of a Blitz.
Sometimes reduced utility? If the blitzer manages to move a guy in beneath the ball while the KOR guy is waiting?

And what happens if the KOR guy gets marked during the blitz?

yup but i think he means after Kick-off table is rolled and scatter is rolled but before kick-off table and bounce are resolved.

mattgslater · Post by **mattgslater** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 5:57 am

How about "at any point"?

Bludbowler · Post by **Bludbowler** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:34 am

Allow Kick Off Return to be used when receiving or defending against a Hail Mary Pass.

burgun824 · Post by **burgun824** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 3:02 am

I fall in the "I don't think it needs to be buffed" category. However, if you were to house rule a buff on it I would consider one of the following depending on how much you want to buff it:

- Move 4 (instead of 3)

- Move 3 + an additional d3

- Treat it like you would a high kick on the KO table only the KoR player has to be the one to move.

That last one is getting a bit excessive though. That could really move that player.

neverworking · Post by **neverworking** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 5:51 am

I dont think it needs a buff, for some teams its bad value for others its good value, which is a fine thing for any skill.

babass · Post by **babass** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:33 am

neverworking wrote:I dont think it needs a buff, for some teams its bad value for others its good value, which is a fine thing for any skill.

+1

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