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Hi all,
the NTBB rules consist of 2 halves, the NTBB roster changes and the CRP+ List of 8 rules (inspired by Galaks Wishlist). The roster changes are my own thing, but I've been working and hoping to get the CRP+ List approved by (ex) BBRC members Tom Anders and Ian Williams....and yesterday, we managed to comprimize on the last few items, so now the full CRP+ list of rules is "BBRC approved" (well, at least approved by the important half of the disbanded BBRC).

The latest - and final - changes are:
1. PiOn is now just an injury reroll (rather than an armor reroll).
2. Claw doesn't stack with MB - i.e. it works on a roll of 8 before modification.
There are stats on my site.

Check out the full thing here:
http://www.plasmoids.dk/bbowl/NTBB.htm

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Hi Martin!
You wrote in another post that now you would remove Loner from the Goblin Trolls, instead of allowing 3 Loner Trolls in a Goblin team.
My question is: how much would cost a Troll without Loner?
I know that the rules will be locked till next year, but I like the "Lonerless Troll" idea.

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Great work Martin

but just because I'm a real nitpicker (blame my mother, I do ;)) I'd point out I'm not a fan of all the changes since I don't agree with the philosophy of narrowing between tiers.

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What does this mean for official ruleset though? Will the CRP ever officially change or will these proposed changes remain house rules?

I am keen to see these made official but am realistic about that possibility

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DoubleSkulls wrote:Great work Martin

but just because I'm a real nitpicker (blame my mother, I do ;)) I'd point out I'm not a fan of all the changes since I don't agree with the philosophy of narrowing between tiers.
I'm with Ian. Great work ... and ... I don't agree at all with the philosophy of narrowing between the tiers.

However I do agree with the items that you have as 1a through 7 of your CRP+ Rules section. And if the BBRC was re-organized and there was another rules review .... all 8 of these items would definitely be up for a vote. (and at this time they'd have my support).

So consider this my endorse of the rule changes you listed (as opposed to how I won't discuss my feelings for the Garion changes as I like being polite in company).

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Hi Ian and Tom,
I'm making a distinction between (a) The NTBB Rosters and (b) The CRP+ List of rules. The first post isn't as detailed about this as the website, but I tried to get the point across. If either one of you find any of the wording on that ambiguous, please send me a better wording , and I'll update ASAP.

So, you've both OK'd the 8 items on the CRP+ List.
I believe you've also said that you're OK with the changes to Humans and Khemri (and the attempt to move them from below bottom of tier one to perhaps middle of tier 1).
I know neither on of you is behind the rest of the NTBB Rosters. That's for me and those of like mind.
I don't know whether you've looked over the finalized rosters - they're a lot less outlandish than one might think :orc:

Be that as it may - Thanks for the colaborative effort :D
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I did look over the roster changes and I'm not against a few of them as we've discussed in the past.

I'm okay with what you did to Humans and Khemri.

I'm also still okay with -10k to the Ogre for Human and Ogre teams. Since I like the bands ... I don't think you need more than that.

The rest just doesn't feel right to me. As you know ... I like the Tiers with the bands they currently have.

Not on your list but I will add based on playtesting.

I do think that folks were wrong that the Master Chef needed to go to 100k from the LRB 5.0 50k if the Trees lost Loner ... but that is based on my experience playing the team since CRP locked in. I find most teams don't need re-rolls at all to still kick 'Flings around and the number of times I've rolled zero to 1 success 'steal' roll in my games for a half is a large number. Still feels like a 50k inducement for them and I don't think that was an error to have it there.



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GalakStarscraper wrote: So consider this my endorse of the rule changes you listed (as opposed to how I won't discuss my feelings for the Garion changes as I like being polite in company).
:lol: :roll:

funny stuff
I do think that folks were wrong that the Master Chef needed to go to 100k from the LRB 5.0 50k if the Trees lost Loner ... but that is based on my experience playing the team since CRP locked in. I find most teams don't need re-rolls at all to still kick 'Flings around and the number of times I've rolled zero to 1 success 'steal' roll in my games for a half is a large number. Still feels like a 50k inducement for them and I don't think that was an error to have it there.


though i do agree with you there.

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Anti- both the changes in this OP - not needed, and cried (yes, cried - boo hoo hoo) by AV9 coaches that hate losing players.

Can't comment on the other 6 rule changes, as I can't remember what they are.

Roster changes are rubbish, but that's because I strongly disagree with the goal - completely the wrong direction for Blood Bowl to go.

So overall a big thumbs-down from me. ;)

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Hi Darkson,
there's a link in the first post if you want to see the rest 8)

As for the roster changes, you may remember spontaneously liking 3 of them about two weeks ago - though admittedly they weren't under the NTBB tag then.
Maybe you'll like some more if you check out the site :wink:

But hey, I'm perfectly happy not pleasing everyone.
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I like all but 1a and 1b, for all the reasons we've discussed already. The rest of the rules changes seem pretty good to me, although I am ambivalent regarding the tier changes.

I would be interested to see the effect of 1b in particular on the relative performance of AV8 and AV7 teams - I suspect DE will do very well out of this.

I would prefer that they remain considered and referred to as house rules until properly tested and endorsed by an appropriate body (whoever that may be!), but I doubt you were planning on doing any different ;)

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Well, I posted this in house rules :orc:

My site also says house rules in 2 places. Maybe I should add a few more. Just not sure how many :wink:

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No, I'm happy. Just being clear.

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Hi Tom, Ian and Dode,
I stuck some more mentions of house rules in the preface of the site. That should clear up any potential for misunderstanding.
I suspect DE will do very well out of this.
I suspect the current 'almost top teams' will now be at the top: CDs, skaven, DElfs, Lizardmen.
But the nerfs to the überteams aren't that brutal, so I hope those 4 will be sharing with the Amazons, WElfs, Undead, Dwarfs and Orcs...
Not to mention the fact that there will be fewer easy wins around.

I think the main problem for the DElfs - and the other elf teams - will be Bank/SE.
But it's kind of hard to tell without large scale testing.
I've got a NZ based league preparing for a 100 match season. But even when combining that with the 2 Playtest Tournaments (another 250 games), it's still small-scale from a data collecting perspective.

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Hi Galak,
yup - Flings ended up outside of tier 3. Possibly, Ogres did too.

But for those that love the existence of the tiers, I still think the 5 top teams could do with a gentle nudge.
Ah well...
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