Pro, not very good is it?

[Void]

I've been also thinking why I almost never take Pro. The conclusion is - because it doesn't save me from a turnover when I need it. Most of the re-rollable actions result in a turn-over when failed, so Pro is left only for Big Guys negative traits, Foul Appearance, Tentacles and that's about it.

My idea was to completely change the Pro info "Result of the action, not involving a ball, doesn't cause a turn over". However I have not tested if the result wouldn't be to strong.

[TheDoc]

I've started to play vampires and Pro isn't my first choice. I'd rather take dodge, block etc and live with blood lust. This is mainly due to BL being boosted in LRB6. Leaves pro redundant to me. I'd never take it on a big guy when block is available then frenzy.

[gandresch]

Hi,

i tried different things and i took Pro on several players but only to manage certain situations.
- Troll Slayer: You have MB and Tackle (perhaps even Guard). Pro is great to reroll pushbacks and it has a much greater effect on the play than Juggernaut or PO - I usually prefer to keep the player standing instead of prone in a dwarf team.
- Big Guys for the obvious reason. On a tree it might be more useful than Block.
- On my Norse teams i usually leave the throwers out and take a lino with Pro early on, so I am able to reroll pickups, passes AND perhaps dodges. Sure Hands gives you safety against Strip Ball but is limited to this one special reroll. You do not have that much rerolls in the early progression of the team and when you save the money for the more expensive players, you can use the lino in another role later on when you buy your Sure Hands thrower. The skill isn't lost and offers a lot of possibilities.
- On Vampire teams it seems useful, but since most of the Vamps are pretty much annoying when they have Blodge and afterwards can reach Thralls more easy, i don't really know if it's reasonable.

Pro is good but it certainly will never be a mass used skill until there is a team where all players gain it as a starting skill.

gan

[Sandwich]

The only real use I can see for Pro is on loner big-guys.

The 4+ roll is the same as using Loner for a TRR, it just means that if/when it fails, you won't waste a TRR doing so.

Other than that... if you're doing a critical action (trying to RR a turnover) you don't want to be missing the RR chance 50% of the time. And sure its nice to have the option of rerolling e.g. a push, but that's just asking for Nuffle to grant you double-skulls...

[spubbbba]

Yeah, I’d say Pro is only useful for rolls you don’t mind failing, for emergencies once re-rolls run out or on loners.

So that limits it to things like the last action of the turn or re-rolling things like negatraits/special abilities (bonehead, bloodlust, hypno gaze etc). If your player has block or wrestle then it can be used for re-rolling pushes but in general that is a bad idea unless you really need that player down. You are just asking nuffle to give you double skulls.

[Iranian Spy]

Having played more vamps recently I'm beginning to learn to love pro and probably wouldn't be able to field 6 vamps ever without it. Also, I like it on Frenzy type players like trollslayers, berzerkers and sometimes to an extend witchelves especially for the jump ups.

[mattgslater]

Pro as #1 pick: Nobody.
Pro as #2 pick: Norse Linos, 2nd doubles on any Loner, Wrestle-sackers in short formats or on teams with skill access deficits and pricey re-rolls
Pro as #3-4 pick: Vampires, G-only players, guys who start with lots of blocking skills and throw too many hits.
Pro as #5-6 pick: Blitzers, strong guys, and guys who throw a lot of 2d hits; players who make a wide variety of d6 rolls, like statfreaks and GRs. Tackle, Frenzy, Grab, Dauntless, Jump Up, Leap, Sprint: Pro stacks with all these. Stacks with the killstack too. Remember, every extra chance to pow is a proportionate extra chance to injure, and if that chance to injure fails it still costs the opponent an action.

Some good Pro targets
Human Lineman with Block, Tackle, Frenzy
Slann Linefrog with Wrestle, Fend
Norse Lineman with Tackle or Fend
Chaos Dwarf with Guard, ClawPOMB
Dwarf Slayer or Norse Berserker with POMB
Ghoul with +AG, Block, SS, on a team that already has enough Tackle and a Sure Hands player
Amazon Linewoman with +MA, +AG, Block, on a team with a skilled Thrower
Underworld or Pact Linerat with Wrestle and maybe Strip Ball
Rotter with Wrestle
Witch Elf with Wrestle, Side Step, Tackle, Diving Tackle
High Elf Catcher with Block, Dodge, Side Step, Tackle, Leap
Wood Elf Catcher with Wrestle, Dauntless, Leap

[plasmoid]

Since this is the house rules section....

Would Pro be too good if it allowed you to reroll something that had already been rerolled? Still requiring a 4+ naturally.

Cheers
Martin

[dsavillian]

Since this is the house rules section....

Would Pro be too good if it allowed you to reroll something that had already been rerolled? Still requiring a 4+ naturally.

Cheers
Martin

Without doing any math, my gut feeling says yes.

[plasmoid]

I can see what you mean.
Then again, onsidering some of my current teams, I can still see several skills my players would rather have...