Illegal procedure poll
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Illegal procedure poll
How do you apply the illegal procedure rules when you're playing?
I wanted to see how most people out there worked it; there seems to be a strong leaning towards house-ruling it, but I wanted to see some numbers behind it.
I also wanted to see some of the ways it gets house-ruled.
I personally feel that the Turnover part is much too harsh; it's not like you're getting anything out of not moving the turn marker, and you're sure losing something when your turn's over (especially at the half or the end of the game.)
I wanted to see how most people out there worked it; there seems to be a strong leaning towards house-ruling it, but I wanted to see some numbers behind it.
I also wanted to see some of the ways it gets house-ruled.
I personally feel that the Turnover part is much too harsh; it's not like you're getting anything out of not moving the turn marker, and you're sure losing something when your turn's over (especially at the half or the end of the game.)
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I voted "warnings", but in fact, it will really depends on the opponent coach.
If he's a newbie, I won't call an illegal procedure, except if he'd do it for me.
If he's someone I... erm... Don't like a lot, I will call for it.
If he's a "common coach", I will give him something like a "free illegal procedure", in my mind: I will point he has to move his turn maker. If he'd forget it another time, hey, soemtimes things needs some "hard ways" to be heard; so I will call for it.
If he's a newbie, I won't call an illegal procedure, except if he'd do it for me.
If he's someone I... erm... Don't like a lot, I will call for it.
If he's a "common coach", I will give him something like a "free illegal procedure", in my mind: I will point he has to move his turn maker. If he'd forget it another time, hey, soemtimes things needs some "hard ways" to be heard; so I will call for it.
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How I call IP
Well it's been a while since I'vep played on a table top (mostly PBEM now). But, I really don't like to call IP's at all. For the most part I would just warn people every time to move it along. I think when teaching a rookie it's probably worth calling it several time just to make them remember, but after people get that part into their heads I would stop calling it just remind my opponent.
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I voted for warnings, i majorly dislike the rule, i understand the purpose but i just dont like enforcing it since the only real important thing is to remember which turn in the game your on.
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I voted as the rulebook says, but with newbies, I warn them a couple of times. But as they continue to forget, I call them.
The more seasoned players never really make the mistake, and if i've made it, I usually see it before my opponent does.
I don't really like calling it.
If I was ahead, I might just mention it.. cuz I'd win anyway.
The more seasoned players never really make the mistake, and if i've made it, I usually see it before my opponent does.
I don't really like calling it.
If I was ahead, I might just mention it.. cuz I'd win anyway.
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"Officially" It's in our rule set. Now, if coaches agree to not call it that's there own business. A few or our players like to use it and others don't, so basically it comes down to who is playing the game. The rules is in but the coaches don't have to call it. It is common courtesy to state whether or not you will use this before the game. Of oourse, if your opponent is you had better keep an eye on his turn track too!
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I personaly feel it is bad sportsmanship to call an IP. I rather just point it out to the other coach and ask him to keep an eye on it next time. Admittedly there have been occasions where I have been playing a coach who forgets to move it every second turn... then I do call it, but only to burn his rerolls.
We use an unnofficial rule in my league where you are responsible for moving the other coaches turn counter. This seems to work well.
We use an unnofficial rule in my league where you are responsible for moving the other coaches turn counter. This seems to work well.
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Unless teh coach in question is a noob, i'll call it every time. You snooze, you lose....
Basically, in our league, you learn by doing. With a noob coach, for teh first season (usually between 7 - 10 games), you remind them any turn they forget for teh first half of each game. After that, it's up to them.
Basically, in our league, you learn by doing. With a noob coach, for teh first season (usually between 7 - 10 games), you remind them any turn they forget for teh first half of each game. After that, it's up to them.
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Yeah same here, Shasta.
We usually have a preseason anytime noobs are in the league. This gives us a chance to help the newbies learn not only formations and tactics but how to move that turn marker. They learn real quick! Most of the time it only takes about 2 lost TD's in the preseason and they are on it.
To be honest it's not much of an issue in my league cuz we hardly ever forget. I think the last one was done by me. I was so excited about my comeback from behind win that I forgot to move my turnmarker and I lost the winning TD. That was with my dwarfs...a few years ago.
We usually have a preseason anytime noobs are in the league. This gives us a chance to help the newbies learn not only formations and tactics but how to move that turn marker. They learn real quick! Most of the time it only takes about 2 lost TD's in the preseason and they are on it.
To be honest it's not much of an issue in my league cuz we hardly ever forget. I think the last one was done by me. I was so excited about my comeback from behind win that I forgot to move my turnmarker and I lost the winning TD. That was with my dwarfs...a few years ago.
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For our games it has become a running gag to call the opposition for illegal procedures. It is not seen as bad sportsmanship or any such thing. We discussed it before our current league started and everyone seemed happy enough with the rule. It does mean that we never lose track of the team turns.
However, we do make players say just "Illegal procedure". Adding anything else like "I would like to call an illegal procedure" will not count.
At their own discretion players may want to give the first one for free, but we are a mix of wargamers/roleplayers so there is a certain level of competitive play there, with Illegal Procedures merely forming another aspect of the play.
However, we do make players say just "Illegal procedure". Adding anything else like "I would like to call an illegal procedure" will not count.
At their own discretion players may want to give the first one for free, but we are a mix of wargamers/roleplayers so there is a certain level of competitive play there, with Illegal Procedures merely forming another aspect of the play.
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We have a few ppl in our league that jokes a bit on this rule.
A player moves his blitzer to blitz:
A. "player 9 blitzes this one with assist from nr8, two block dice against you"
B. "LEGAL PROCEDURE"
A. "What? I'm sure i moved my turn marker"
B. "Yeah, thats why I said Legal Procedure"
Can be quite irritating at times, and other times it just makes us laugh. (we are in a league that call IP)
A player moves his blitzer to blitz:
A. "player 9 blitzes this one with assist from nr8, two block dice against you"
B. "LEGAL PROCEDURE"
A. "What? I'm sure i moved my turn marker"
B. "Yeah, thats why I said Legal Procedure"
Can be quite irritating at times, and other times it just makes us laugh. (we are in a league that call IP)
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My POV
I haven't made any real rulings on this in my league, but I'm certainly not in favor of Illegal Procedure calls. I fully realize the importance of turn markers and know that without a rule, you'd end up in quite a mess.*
So I keep the rule. I'm not interested in gaining turnovers from it, I believe that to be a lousy tactic. If you can keep an eye on your opponent's turn marker just so you can screw with his plans, then I feel you can also do it for no other reason than the integrity of the game. Otherwise, I don't think I'm that interested in having you in my league...
* Of course, depending on your league, it might not actually be a real problem, if you don't mind some halves lasting 9, 10 or even more turns...
So I keep the rule. I'm not interested in gaining turnovers from it, I believe that to be a lousy tactic. If you can keep an eye on your opponent's turn marker just so you can screw with his plans, then I feel you can also do it for no other reason than the integrity of the game. Otherwise, I don't think I'm that interested in having you in my league...
* Of course, depending on your league, it might not actually be a real problem, if you don't mind some halves lasting 9, 10 or even more turns...
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