Complete Redesign of all Star Players based on LRB1.3

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 4:36 pm

"The Deathroller" Dwarf Team
Big Guy 160.000 4/7/1/10 War Engine, Mighty Blow, Multiple Block, Stand Firm, Death Roller (Legend)

"Grashrak Blackhoof" Chaos, Chaos Dwarf & Norse Team
Big Guy 170.000 6/6/2/9 Minotaur, Mighty Blow, Horns, Frenzy (Emerging Star)
Big Guy 110.000 5/5/2/8 Minotaur, Mighty Blow, Horns, Frenzy (Rookie)

"Morg 'N' Thorg" Chaos, Dwarf, Goblin, Halfling, Human, Norse & Orc Team
Big Guy 210.000 6/6/3/10 Ogre, Mighty Blow, Block (Super Star)
Big Guy 120.000 5/5/3/9 Ogre, Mighty Blow (Rookie)

"Head Splitter" Skaven Team
Big Guy 170.000 6/6/3/9 Rat Ogre, Mighty Blow, Prehensile Tail, Frenzy (Veteran)
Big Guy 130.000 6/5/3/8 Rat Ogre, Mighty Blow, Prehensile Tail, Frenzy (Rookie)

"Deeproot Strongbranch" Halfling & Wood Elf Team
Big Guy 140.000 2/7/1/10 Treeman, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm, Block (Veteran)
Big Guy 110.000 2/6/1/10 Treeman, Mighty Blow, Stand Firm (Rookie)

"Ripper Bolgrot" Chaos, Chaos Dwarf, Goblin & Orc Team
Big Guy 140.000 4/6/1/10 Troll, Mighty Blow (Veteran)
Big Guy 100.000 4/5/1/9 Troll, Mighty Blow (Rookie)

"Griff Oberwald" Human Team
Blitzer 230.000 8/4/4/8 Human, Block, Dodge, Leap, Sprint, Sure Feet (Legend)
Blitzer 90.000 7/3/3/8 Human, Block (Rookie)

"Count Luthor von Drakenborg" Undead Team
Blitzer 210.000 6/5/4/9 Vampire, Block, Dodge (Mega Star)
Blitzer 90.000 6/3/3/8 Block (Rookie)

"Mighty Zug" Human Team
Lineman 80.000 4/5/2/9 Human, Block, Mighty Blow (Super Star)
Lineman 50.000 6/3/3/8 Human (Rookie)

"Varag Ghoul Chewer" Orc Team
Blitzer 160.000 6/4/3/9 Orc, Block, Mighty Blow, Pro, Stand Firm, Leader (Super Star)
Blitzer 80.000 6/3/3/9 Orc, Block (Rookie)

"Lord Borak the Despoiler" Chaos Team
Warrior 170.000 5/5/3/9 Chaos, Block, Dirty Player, Mighty Blow, Leader (Super Star)
Warrior 100.000 5/4/3/9 Chaos (Rookie)

"Hthark the Unstoppable" Chaos Dwarf Team
Blitzer 210.000 6/6/2/10 Bull Centaur, Sprint, Sure Feet, Block, Break Tackle (Super Star)
Blitzer 130.000 6/4/2/9 Bull Centaur, Sprint, Sure Feet (Rookie)

"Sillibilli" Lizardman Team
Blocker 160.000 7/4/2/9 Saurus, Block, Guard, Stand Firm (Super Star)
Blocker 80.000 6/4/1/9 (Rookie)

"Horkon Heartripper" Dark Elf Team
Lineman 120.000 6/3/4/8 Dark Elf, Dodge, Leap, Shadowing, Poisoned Dagger (Star Player)
Lineman 70.000 6/3/4/8 (Rookie)

"Halflem Skuttlespike" Skaven Team
Runner 160.000 9/3/4/7 Skaven, Dodge, Prehensile Tail, Extra Arms, Two Heads (Star Player)
Runner 80.000 9/2/4/7 Skaven, Dodge (Rookie)

"Grim Ironjaw" Dwarf Team
Troll Slayer 140.000 5/4/3/8 Dwarf, Block, Dauntless, Frenzy, Mighty Blow (Emerging Star)
Troll Slayer 90.000 5/3/2/8 Dwarf, Block, Dauntless, Frenzy (Rookie)

"Jordell Freshbreeze" Wood Elf Team
Wardancer 160.000 8/3/5/7 Wood Elf, Block, Dodge, Leap, Diving Catch, Side Step (Emerging Star)
Wardancer 120.000 8/3/4/7 Wood Elf, Block, Dodge, Leap (Rookie)

"Zarag Madeye" Chaos Dwarf Team
Blocker 110.000 5/3/2/9 Chaos Dwarf, Block, Tackle, Blunderbuss (Veteran)
Blocker 70.000 4/3/2/9 Chaos Dwarf, Block, Tackle (Rookie)

"Prince Moranian" High Elf Team
Dragon Warrior 140.000 7/4/4/8 High Elf, Block, Dauntless (Veteran)
Dragon Warrior 100.000 7/3/4/8 High Elf, Block (Rookie)

"Bommer Dribblesnot" Orc & Goblin Team
Runner 80.000 6/2/3/7 Goblin, Dodge, Accurate, Bombs (Veteran)
Runner 40.000 6/2/3/7 Goblin, Dodge (Rookie)

"Nobbla Blackwart" Orc & Goblin Team
Runner 80.000 6/2/3/7 Goblin, Dodge, Frenzy, Chainsaw (Veteran)
Runner 40.000 6/2/3/7 Goblin, Dodge (Rookie)

"Fungus The Loon" Orc & Goblin Team
Runner 60.000 6/2/3/7 Goblin, Dodge, Ball & Chain (Experienced Player)
Runner 40.000 6/2/3/7 Goblin, Dodge (Rookie)

"Scrappa Sorehead" Orc & Goblin Team
Runner 60.000 6/2/3/7 Goblin, Dodge, Pogo Stick (Experienced Player)
Runner 40.000 6/2/3/7 Goblin, Dodge (Rookie)

DaFrenchCoach · Post by **DaFrenchCoach** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:57 pm

Toby, I just have 2 questions:

- in your system, the starplayers would be allowed to gain more SPP ?
- if yes, what about ageing rolls ? For example, your human blitzer legend (let's call him Griff

) would have a very thin probability to develop these stats, so without having some ageing rolls... It's not realistic.

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Fri Jul 19, 2002 11:43 pm

They would be treated like normal players, except only one SP each, 4 SP max, SP uses Position. Not even sure if Appearance Fee makes sense in league play.

Regarding Griff:
I just did a conversion - feel free to suggest balancing changes like adding aging results he might have suffered.

DaFrenchCoach · Post by **DaFrenchCoach** » Sat Jul 20, 2002 1:43 am

Thx for precisions ... I have no suggestions for Griff... This guy was well known to be unbalanced under 3rd edition, so if you add the possibility to earn SPP... BTW, let's imagine this guy succeds in your league, avoiding those great BOBs, Mummies , ... how it will run (for the other too) when having a SPP roll > an ageing roll ?

An idea for ageing: a random table. The starplayer is OK for coming in your team but becoming a permanent player is a real pain for him... Training every morning, training every afternoon ... So roll a dice

1: ouch, too hard ! The starplayer isn't used to follow some trainings sessions. Roll 3 (or another number, don't know) ageing rolls DIRECTLY without regarding his SPP level.
2-5: hey, not easy ! The starplayer has to adapt to the work asked during the training sessions. Roll the dice in order to know if he will suffer from ageing (depends on his SPP level).
6: erm ... I've done it sooooooo many times before: starplayer is able to follow the rest of the team during the training sessions. Roll only 1D3 dice, without considering his SPP level, in order to know if he would suffer from ageing.

OK, this is far from perfect. I like lady luck

...

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Sat Jul 20, 2002 6:22 pm

DaFrenchCoach wrote:Thx for precisions ... I have no suggestions for Griff... This guy was well known to be unbalanced under 3rd edition, so if you add the possibility to earn SPP...

I for one never had any problem with Griff whatsoever. The only thing he's marginally good for is scoring, which (in the old system at least) just took SPP's from people who could actually use them.

In fact, my friend Steve and I have a record going which stands to this day. In the 8 games that have been played where Griff was fielded against either me or Steve, Griff did not survive the game. Usually not even through fouling or anything. So bring Griff against me. I'd like to keep the record going. It's been stuck at 8 for like 5 years, since nobody uses stars anymore.

To be honest, for my money Zug is a much better player. He's a real cheap anchor on the line, that's really tough to push around. He does what star players should do: be useful without taking SPP from somebody else.

DaFrenchCoach · Post by **DaFrenchCoach** » Sat Jul 20, 2002 7:25 pm

wesleytj wrote:I for one never had any problem with Griff whatsoever. The only thing he's marginally good for is scoring, which (in the old system at least) just took SPP's from people who could actually use them.
In fact, my friend Steve and I have a record going which stands to this day. In the 8 games that have been played where Griff was fielded against either me or Steve, Griff did not survive the game. Usually not even through fouling or anything. So bring Griff against me. I'd like to keep the record going. It's been stuck at 8 for like 5 years, since nobody uses stars anymore.
To be honest, for my money Zug is a much better player. He's a real cheap anchor on the line, that's really tough to push around. He does what star players should do: be useful without taking SPP from somebody else.

Agree with you, but having Griff in your team should mean your opponent makes him his first "target", as you said here... And during this time, the other players can play the game and score... I don't know if you see what I mean ...

Pantera · Post by **Pantera** » Sat Jul 20, 2002 8:54 pm

About Griff, its also the thing of getting him for the cup finals, where winning means everything and developing the team is put back. Having Griff in a final is a very big bonus for a human team. I would not consider having any star in normal league games, as its just boring not developing you own stars, even if you loose games doing so.

(edit: Sorry off-topic)

Toby · Post by **Toby** » Sun Jul 21, 2002 7:42 pm

Thx for your oppinions so far.

First of all i only tried to do a conversion, based on LRB 1.3, recreating every star from a rookie player on his team roster. I have to edit the posting a bit, the bull centaur for example is not a big guy.

Note that Big Guys cannot use team re-rolls and had racial characteristics added. That alone balances stars a lot.

DFC note that the Human Blitzer (Griff) is already a Legend. He can earn SPP but he cant get any more Star Player Rolls.

I will remove the appearance fee, it doesnt make sense.
The idea is to trade MONEY for STAR PLAYER POINTS. This has to have pros and cons. Pro is obviously that you get a complete player, con is the high price. Its also a con that you have to accept the predesigned skill-set.

I would like to balance those stars. That means first of all adding the ageing effects because the Stars are taken directly from 3rd edition so they miss ageing, So i would suggest to give every star a niggling injury, for example.