Taking Back Blood Bowl

[Steam Ball]

OSPA issue.

OSPA meaning ...?

[rolo]

"One Skill Per Action", a poorly thought out rule which was immediately dropped a few editions ago.

[VoodooMike]

Partly because two members of the previous BBRC specifically said that they would like to see those two rule changes tested.

I'm pretty sure plasmoid has used that sad refrain to justify NTBB things, too. Maybe you should dig out your time machine and go back to when they were the BBRC and have them test it! Of course, even back then those two members didn't manage to convince the entire BBRC to go that route, so...

Are you guys really so scared of orcs and dwarves that you wouldn't even test changes?

No more afraid than I am of testing changes to the rules in which both coaches much flick the tip of the other's penis to signal the end of their turn... I just have no interest in, nor see the point of, testing rules that have no necessity and are not founded in clear fact about the game. The CRP and LRB5 both had a rule that handles the "problems" you feel exist in the environment you want to play in: the rule was that the commissioner can change the rules to suit his league any way he sees fit. That is the perfect rule to handle situations that only show up in a small number of play environments... beats the hell out of "lets change the rules for everyone to handle something that only affects a small number of people"... especially when the point of that is simply that you've failed to convince your commissioner to implement the house rules you want and want to make an authoritative end-run around his decision.

You wouldn't want to help some online guys out? (No, I wasn't asking Darkson)

I do want to help people in these environments and I do by using logic and analysis to find possible solutions for problems I perceive. As you know I think the full TVPlus system is the answer to almost all the issues we see in open matchmaking environments, but where you and I differ is that I oppose it being applied everywhere else - it is an environment-level solution, not something that needs to be changed across the entire Blood Bowl universe. The equivalent of what you're asking for would be me saying TVPlus should be used everywhere because it would fix matchmaking environments.

Christer appeared to be ready to trial the changes but seemed to be scared off by the 'Officialists'.

Hold on, let me get my tinfoil hat on before you continue...

[rolo]

No more afraid than I am of testing changes to the rules in which both coaches much flick the tip of the other's penis to signal the end of their turn...

Oh ... crap ... I guess I've been doing it wrong this whole time ...

[VoodooMike]

Oh ... crap ... I guess I've been doing it wrong this whole time ...

Well I mean... if you WANT them to test out that house rule you can tell them to. According to Koadah they'd be cowards not to at least give it a serious try... and who really knows what the BBRC was doing behind closed doors all those years?

[sann0638]

Wait, does that mean you are NOT afraid of testing that rule?

[VoodooMike]

Wait, does that mean you are NOT afraid of testing that rule?

Or that I'm very afraid of it... but lets discuss it over a bottle of red wine and a very, very friendly game of Blood Bowl

[Milo]

Oh ... crap ... I guess I've been doing it wrong this whole time ...

Well I mean... if you WANT them to test out that house rule you can tell them to. According to Koadah they'd be cowards not to at least give it a serious try... and who really knows what the BBRC was doing behind closed doors all those years?

This was not included, I assure you.

[bound for glory]

BOYS!BOYS!

Can we all agree that human catchers should be ST3 this time around?

[Milo]

"One Skill Per Action", a poorly thought out rule which was immediately dropped a few editions ago.

Right, so, for instance, if you used a Dodge skill to get into position to blitz someone, you could then not use Block or Tackle on the dice roll, even if you had those skills. It was a bad idea. (You couldn't use Strong Arm and Accurate on the same Pass, or use the Pass skill with either of those. You couldn't use Sprint and Sure Feet on the same action. Just lots of problems.)

[babass]

"One Skill Per Action", a poorly thought out rule which was immediately dropped a few editions ago.

Right, so, for instance, if you used a Dodge skill to get into position to blitz someone, you could then not use Block or Tackle on the dice roll, even if you had those skills. It was a bad idea. (You couldn't use Strong Arm and Accurate on the same Pass, or use the Pass skill with either of those. You couldn't use Sprint and Sure Feet on the same action. Just lots of problems.)

"one skill per action" is terrible way of written the rule

let's take my ogre, i declare a block... so, for this i have to roll the dice of the skill bone head.. this way if get a bothdown, i won't be able to use mighty blow or thick skull


"one skill per action", mean we won't be able to build nice ball hunter, like a lovely gutter runner with horn/wrestle/stripball/tackle/leap as we won't be able to use all them in the same blitz

[rolo]

let's take my ogre, i declare a block... so, for this i have to roll the dice of the skill bone head.. this way if get a bothdown, i won't be able to use mighty blow or thick skull

I *think* that this was before teams could get rostered "Big Guys" with negative skills. But yeah, there were so many other problems. A Wardancer who used Leap couldn't use Block or Strip Ball later that action. A Catcher who used Catch to catch a pass couldn't use Dodge later on while moving. A Slayer who used Dauntless couldn't use Frenzy ...

It was just so much badness and didn't do anything for the game. As Milo pointed out earlier, it was one of the few things which the entire Blood Bowl community agreed on essentially unanimously.

[Steam Ball]

Thanks, my issue was with the acronym. I know about that 4th edition, just couldn't make the link.

As for taking back, we (GW & players) already got one example: The Ninth Age.

[VoodooMike]

As for taking back, we (GW & players) already got one example: The Ninth Age.

Nobody is saying it isn't possible, it's just that it won't happen with Blood Bowl because the major bodies involved in implementing the game will not get behind any such attempt. NAF, which is more or less the central body of the tabletop tournament world, will stand by GW's decisions. Cyanide, which is licensed by GW, will stay very close to what GW decides. FUMBBL is run by people who aren't particularly invested in Blood Bowl, just in their site, so they'll almost certainly follow what people are already doing especially if it means not having to revamp their stuff.

There's no leadership for such a movement. Nobody (individual or group) who is interested in leading is someone that people will follow. Unless you can get a very large group of people behind such a movement it won't be a movement, it'll be a little houseruled league with delusions of grandeur. It'll be just another NTBB.

So, is it possible? Sure, but it'd be a herculean effort by multiple people all of whom would have to be dedicated to the task... and most of the work would NOT be in designing rules, it'd be in playing politics to establish themselves as an authority worth listening to.

[Steam Ball]

So, is it possible? Sure, but it'd be a herculean effort by multiple people all of whom would have to be dedicated to the task

I see the possibility linked to how much change is done officially. With WHFB it was clear, they destroyed it and launched a different thing, trying to replace it. As so far they promised keeping CRP (to some level... a lesson learned from 9th?), I agree it will be rare to happen.