So what size to make new models?

[GalakStarscraper]

So while this works great for most of the Spanish mini producers who were already working in 32mm scale for their figures.

The new 32mm scale for BB minis is a change for a company like mine.

Soooo ... I would like to hear feedback. I am getting ready to redo the models for the High / Dark Elf team as the molds were destroyed filling the KickStarter and we had to redo it all from scratch before they come out.

Do we make these figures in 28mm scale ... or size them up to be 32mm scale. Note if you have the team we had already planned on making them 10% larger than they were for the KickStarter .... so the new question is ... should they be 25% bigger than they were for the KickStarter.

Your feedback is honestly appreciated!

[Shteve0]

Hi Tom!

I think the bases are 32mm, not the models? May be best to confirm I guess; though the new age of sigmar models I've seen are certainly up a notch in scale on even recent warhammer releases.

Personally (and I can only speak personally) I'd like the 28-30mm scale that sizes in with recent GW kitbashes , 5th edition humans, greendog calasians etc. A bigger pitch is an opportunity to scale the players to the field more naturally, imo, not fill it with giant models.

But either way, get scale confirmation if you can - perhaps someone at the event this weekend can measure a mini or two for you?

[Regash]

As Stheve0 said, we're talking mainly about base size.
Does it really matter that much if the minis are 28 or 32 mm to the eyes?

If what I've read is true and all that really changes is square size and the rest staying more or less the same, I'm not even going to invest in a new pitch.
What for?

So, if you ask me...
I wouldn't scale up all the way to AoS but stay somewhere in between the 28 mm and AoS.
Like most independent miniature providers do.
And I wouldn't even think about changing to 32 mm bases.
Old bases fit on the new pitch. But new bases won't fit on the old pitch!

I do care a lot more about a teams looks and quality than about mm count.

[Darkson]

Current scale. Let's not kid ourselves, most of us will buy the new box, but mine will only get used at home, as the pitch will have an approx 7cm overhang on the tables we use at our club, which is where most of my games will be played, hence I'll be continuing to use my old board.
I think the majority of tournaments I've played in will continue to use the old boards toas they have (or had) similar sized tables.

[ramchop]

I think the majority of tournaments I've played in will continue to use the old boards toas they have (or had) similar sized tables.

Which is fine until you get a lot of new GW teams playing. I'd like to see a photo of AoS 32mm base models lined up on a 3rd ed board. Does it fit? Or would it be frustratingly awkward?
I use 35mm bases for my big guys, mostly OK on a team with 1 or 2 big guys. I suspect 32mm teams on the current board wouldn't work.

[sokomano]

If I understand well, the base is changing from 30mm to 32mm. But what about the size of miniatures? Are they bigger than the 5th edition GW humans?
Thanks for clarification.

[Marlow]

I think base size and model height are two different issues. I really like the look of the 32mm pitch as once I add a skill ring to my 25mm based teams they are about 30mm across which does cause some crowding problems when a lot of skilled players get together. I plan to use the new pitch for leagues and the old one for casual games and tournaments (mainly due to the size of tables used).

As for model height I am not personally worried by this. My preference would be to make sure the team can still fit on 25mm bases as any new figures I get will be going onto that sized base. Looking at the pictures I am not convinced the new Humans/Orcs would go onto smaller bases; some of them look like they are about to spill over from the 32mm bases as it is.

[mikeyc222]

i still prefer 28mm minis, but the honest truth is if the new GW minis are all 32mm scale, and if the video game, plus if the new boxed set brings a lot of new players to the scene (and our last tournament in town had a small group show that had only played the video game to that point), we may see a decent sized influx of the new GW minis. now that i have actually seen what GW is bringing to the table, i'm actually starting to get a little excited, so i will probably be buying at least the new boxed set, if not a whole lot more. that means that i will end up with some 32mm scale minis, even if i do still prefer 28mm. i suspect that as more time goes on, and gw releases more minis for BB, 28mm minis will be less common than they are now.
i could be COMPLETELY wrong, but only time will tell.

[TheAzman]

Yeah, I still prefer 28mm scale, too. It's mainly because that is what I 'grew up' with. While I love the detail of nearly all of the larger scale minis that have been created, I will most likely never purchase them because of the absolutely ridiculous size compared to my preferred 28mm . I just can't bring myself to even think about doing it.

I'm looking forward to buying 28mm teams second hand for much less ridiculous amounts of money when people start dumping their collections to fund their purchase of giant scale GW stuff. I realize I may sound cheap, but I don't know of too many people with that large of a 'gaming budget' to begin with. My budget is so small I sometimes wonder why I even started collecting. LOL.

Either way, it looks like many fears have been unfounded (so far) with the release of more information/pics. If we are not going to implode as a community, I am a happy man.

[mikeyc222]

well, since BB consists of about 95% of my gaming hobby, i can probably afford to buy most everything of what GW plans to release for the game moving forward. especially since they look like they will be spreading new releases out to cover the entire range of the specialist games portfolio. i don't expect more than 1 or 2 BB releases from GW a year.

[Steam Ball]

Some background: I decided to call the new style grotesque. You start with heroic, then enlarge them horizontally and make the proportions even worse (also overload everything else and use nonsense muscles or clothes... last years of GW arriving at AoS, bluntly), to justify the 32mm bases. They already announced a similar trick about Adeptus Titanicus (and by extension Epic), they had to change something and settled on 8mm (before 6mm). I calculated one orc using the base as reference and the height was pretty much unchanged, all apparent size change comes from bulk and arms flapping. I could look up other pictures and try again.

So I would keep doing 28mm eyes (which seems to mean 28 eyes & posed, which means they are bigger, like 30+ top of head & posed, and thus even bigger if straight). It means less material, which means more affordable productions and shipping. Oh, yeah, and focus on good sculpts with good poses. Miniatures should "read" from away, not being blobs with two sticks on each side (I think they represent arms ).

[Digger Goreman]

If it doesn't fit seemlessly with my 1st-3rd edition minis, I won't even look at it....

[Chris]

You should match the new models to get the biggest market We are in a way the wrong people to ask as we already have all our 28mm stuff...

[Darkson]

From a post on FB from someone who went to Warhammer Fest:

And on, one more thing when asked about the slight scaling up - whether this was to screw over 3rd parties... 'We did it to make nice minis not screw anyone over - they're more than welcome to carry on'...

[dfunkateer]

I think that regardless of what established gamers prefer, the scale of any new miniatures have to match GW's scale for third party miniatures to remain an attractive option.

Rightly or wrongly, the scale of GW's new models will be regarded as the norm so if a third party makes models in a different scale, this will only set them apart and not in a good way. I know first hand from having bought a Willy Miniatures Necro team - lovely models, but when a st4 golem stands head and shoulders above a GW st5 mummy, it makes me seriously think long and hard about whether I'll ever buy another team from Willy again as they are just too damn big to be on the same field as 28mm models.

This time next year I imagine that the majority of new players will be using GW's new models and a lot of established players will be doing the same thing (myself included). I appreciate that a lot of the old guard may not buy the new box and some won't budge from their classic minis, but if GW does increase the scale (to 32mm for example), I doubt very much I would buy another 28mm team as they will just be too small on the field.

tl/dr: copy GW's new scale.