team snowmodel

[Rayphoton]

"slutty cat ears"....

[mikeyc222]

let's not forget... the GW Norse team was basically a bunch of guys in helmets and loin clothes, with the occasional shoulder pad thrown in. no one seems to complain about that being unrealistic AV7 representation.

you know, people complain about "massive cartoon tits" on all these female miniatures, but i look at it the same way i look at the female vs male comic book character arguments. people always ask why all female characters have impossible physiques and don't we know that is damaging to young girls' self esteems? well... all the male characters have pretty impossible physiques as well, but no one ever seems to have a problem with that. same thing with minis... why do all the female minis have "massive cartoon tits?" well, why do all the male minis have massive cartoon muscles? it would be like a group of little people boycotting GW because their dwarf minis are way too muscular for any little person to ever be able to achieve in real life. it would also be like me boycotting GW because all their male minis have a full head of hair, and i don't. i think it's all silly personally.
in the end, i have to ask myself how many of the people on this forum who always vocally oppose teams like this are actually in the market for a new amazon team. if you're not, then who cares if the team isn't to your liking?

[Tablet]

Let's not forget... the GW Norse team was basically a bunch of guys in helmets and loin clothes, with the occasional shoulder pad thrown in. No one seems to complain about that being unrealistic AV7 representation.

This is a valid point. Thematically Norse being hard northern lads playing a bit of blood bowl in their fur underpants is not a problem for me.

So in theory I ought to be okay with an Amazon team depicted as Jungle living female warriors. Yes, the typical Amazonian depictions don't make me think of AV7 straight away but Wonder Woman was able to kick ar$e without dressing like Iron Man.... The problem that can't be ignored (for me) are some of the poses. Those fashion/pornified (call them what you will) poses don't make me think of blood bowl. More importantly as a Husband and a Father I would feel uncomfortable playing with such a team. The message it sends is not coherent with the way I view life.

It's all down to personal opinion but that's where I sit (it makes a change to being on the fence) and it's a valid point that no one has tried crowd funding a politically correct female team. I have been thinking about it for a wee while now, give me a prompt if I've not started it by 2025....

[mikeyc222]

Those fashion/pornified (call them what you will) poses don't make me think of blood bowl.

this argument, i can understand, and honestly, i agree. i prefer poses that look like BB players on the pitch. currently, the two Zon teams i have are a professionally painted GW team (that i picked up at a bargain from a friend who was leaving the hobby), and the necrom studios Zons now being sold by Star Player minis. yes, the necrom girls are a bit top heavy, and yes, i affectionately refer to them as Boobazons, but beyond that, they actually fit my personal idea of what a Zon team should look like from a fluff perspective. are they the perfect team for me? no. i'm not a big fan of realistic scale, so their heads are awfully small compared to the rest of mini collection. that's is really my only complaint about them. would i have bought them if they were flat chested? most likely, because as i said, they fit my personal idea of what that that kind of team would look like and they have player poses, not stripper poses.
i am a husband and father too, but 1) my wife accepted long ago that i am a perv, and she's reasonably ok with that and 2) my kid is a boy, so when he gets a little older, he'll have WAY worse than daddy's busty minis laying around his room. i know i did when i was younger! (but i do understand where you're coming from)

[fromherashes]

let's not forget... the GW Norse team was basically a bunch of guys in helmets and loin clothes, with the occasional shoulder pad thrown in. no one seems to complain about that being unrealistic AV7 representation.

you know, people complain about "massive cartoon tits" on all these female miniatures, but i look at it the same way i look at the female vs male comic book character arguments. people always ask why all female characters have impossible physiques and don't we know that is damaging to young girls' self esteems? well... all the male characters have pretty impossible physiques as well, but no one ever seems to have a problem with that. same thing with minis... why do all the female minis have "massive cartoon tits?" well, why do all the male minis have massive cartoon muscles? it would be like a group of little people boycotting GW because their dwarf minis are way too muscular for any little person to ever be able to achieve in real life. it would also be like me boycotting GW because all their male minis have a full head of hair, and i don't. i think it's all silly personally.
in the end, i have to ask myself how many of the people on this forum who always vocally oppose teams like this are actually in the market for a new amazon team. if you're not, then who cares if the team isn't to your liking?

Because having a muscular physique is a helpful attribute in a sport (especially a violent one). Massive cartoon tits less so.

[mikeyc222]

Because having a muscular physique is a helpful attribute in a sport (especially a violent one). Massive cartoon tits less so.

Maybe massive cartoon tits provide extra padding, and therefore increase AV that others seem to feel is lacking...

At the end of the day, minis are idealized caricatures based in a purely fantastical universe, playing a game that doesn't really exist. Arguing their relevance to real-world athletes is kind of like Sheldon, on The Big Bang Theory arguing the physics of Superman rescuing Lois Lane. I just can't take it seriously.

[fromherashes]

Because having a muscular physique is a helpful attribute in a sport (especially a violent one). Massive cartoon tits less so.

Maybe massive cartoon tits provide extra padding, and therefore increase AV that others seem to feel is lacking...

At the end of the day, minis are idealized caricatures based in a purely fantastical universe, playing a game that doesn't really exist. Arguing their relevance to real-world athletes is kind of like Sheldon, on The Big Bang Theory arguing the physics of Superman rescuing Lois Lane. I just can't take it seriously.

Not really, the mechanics of strength exist within the game and the stronger positionals usually have that reflected in their minis.

I'd expect female minis to have fairly athletic bodies as opposed to muscular bodies (though weightlifter muscley would work on 'Zons if they were actually strong in the game).

I think what I object to is the thematically unfluffy feel to it.

For example; Female Wood Elves would be nymph-like, Witch Elves are supposed to be vicious but stunningly beautiful etc Those fit conceptually with the fluff of the game. Supermodels or strippers don't really. I could get that body type/array of poses associated with sideline cheerleaders though.

[Steam Ball]

breasts

In few words, what is missing is a Norse team with packages. Maybe a "third leg" for everyone. And not a mutation.

With notable exception of this team
http://www.comixininos.com/blood-bowl-t ... turas.html
Who are all not at all suggestively posed, look like they are in 7 armor, are not in heels and are muscular enough to crush stone with their hands.

However I don't have any sales number to determine if they are successful/popular or not. Does anyone own this team?

You must have lived under a big rock to miss the fiasco after the Necrom IGG.

[mikeyc222]

With notable exception of this team
http://www.comixininos.com/blood-bowl-t ... turas.html
Who are all not at all suggestively posed, look like they are in 7 armor, are not in heels and are muscular enough to crush stone with their hands.

However I don't have any sales number to determine if they are successful/popular or not. Does anyone own this team?

You must have lived under a big rock to miss the fiasco after the Necrom IGG.

that's not entirely relevant as Star Player Miniatures now owns that team and is actively selling them here on their website.

[Steam Ball]

that's not entirely relevant as Star Player Miniatures now owns that team and is actively selling them here on their website.

Relevant for the part in which people talked about the design. Also still not clear if what some called miscasts is that or their real shape.

[Rayphoton]

You must have lived under a big rock to miss the fiasco after the Necrom IGG.

Admittedly my time with bloodbowl has been about a year or so. I did indeed miss the "fiasco" and enjoyed reading that. I never knew that necoom basically just vanoshed. Thank you for sharing.

Its interesting to note that mostly...that team was very well received. A buncha comments about boob size that apparently was fixed...but generally everyone was very pleasant. Even the detractors were more comical then viscous.

[Milo]

Regarding the controversy, I'll say this: GW miniatures have always been a "heroic" scale, with certain features enhanced. Take a look at the average Blood Bowl or Warhammer 40k miniature and it's clear that the hands and head are generally not in "true" scale with the figures' bodies. It's almost like a certain amount of deformity, not quite super-deformed, but enough to make things like facial features, individual fingers, etc. visible. And, in addition, the art and humor in Blood Bowl has always been somewhat cartoony. So to some extent, I do not have a problem with gender-specific features being "enhanced" any more than I have with musculature or facial features.

There is a line between what I am comfortable with and what I am not. It's not a hard and fast one -- to quote an infamous Supreme Court Justice, "I know it when I see it." It helps if the poses are not too "porny", it helps if their outfits look like actual CLOTHES and not sprayed on paint.

For example, I passed on Sukkubus Studios' Succubi. I liked some of the figures, and I recognize that for a Slaanesh team they were pretty well in keeping with fluff, but I just didn't feel like I'd want to put them on the table against a kid or against a woman -- and if I'm not comfortable playing them against SOME opponents, I really shouldn't play them against any. In contrast, I'm very excited to get the Sukkubus Studio Witches team (gender-swapped Dark Elves). The players have bare midriffs and show some cleavage, but they have shoulder/knee/elbow pads, leather pants, sensible boots, helmets, etc. and are in excellent "playing football" poses. (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/suku ... /4534766#/)

Similarly, I really like the Ru-Mor/Willy Miniatures Amazons -- all very clearly female and scantily clad, but the poses are not "sex kitten" but "player", and the outfits have details that make them a little more "real world" to me. They fall somewhere between a beach volleyball player and a tennis player -- both of which are on the "sexier" side of athletic garments, admittedly, but give them some basis in reality. Their feminine attributes are somewhat enhanced but not grossly so, in my opinion. (http://willyminiatures.com/product/amaz ... 6-players/)

Back to the minis that this designer is working on, I think they have some promise but:

1) I tend to prefer the hand-designed minis as opposed to 3D-printed ones, I think they have more character, so this would not be my female team of choice.
2) I think the tops and shorts need to have more detail added to them (and I don't mean pokey nipples). Borders, zippers, pockets, waistbands, SOMETHING. They just look too insubstantial to me.

I do like some of the hairstyles and there aren't any poses that I really dislike (although the linewoman twisting at the waist is a strange one.) The spiky shoulder pads and knee pads are a nice touch, and I do like the boots.

Tone down the boobs and butts a LITTLE and give a little more character to the clothes and I might buy some of them.

[Heff]

Seriously though, there's a lot of talent gone into doing this. I applaud the skill of the sculptor, but I'm drained and jaded by the sheer volume of cringeworthy pinup crap that passes for female representation in my favourite board game. I honestly just find it embarrassing.

Just for once, I'd like to see someone make an attempt at portraying cool, strong athletic females in miniature form without pornifying them, either in (un)clothes or model thin, or in provacative poses - surely the soft porn market is saturated by now? Please, just one proper team. No bending over, no coy fingers in mouths, and no doe eyed, submissive expressions. Just cool women playing blood bowl. I with throw money at you so fast it's not even funny.

Maybe someone will meet you half way and do a sexy male Norse team in the seductive poses?

If we all start bringing teams will with male eye-candy then it might encourage a few more women to play the game.

Now that I would buy in an instant.

[Snowmodel]

Thank you for your comments.
Here were two the last girl of the team.
I also made a modifiaction of the tie shoulder strap for example, I shall post an image later.

Here are catchers 3 and 4



and the video

https://vimeo.com/185152661

[Rayphoton]

I'll champion a scanty clad mini all day long.....but those heads...

They look like there 10 years old.
https://www.craftsy.com/blog/2013/08/ch ... oportions/

the proportions are all wrong

Other than that...They look physically built to play the game. So..yay.

Without a change to heads though, I cant put my money there.

My 2 cents...