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 Post subject: Troll Logic (have I got this right?)
 Post Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 11:51 pm 
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Hi all,

New Blood Bowl player here, playing on the tabletop with my local gaming group and have chosen Orcs for my first team.

I've added a Troll and Goblin to my team with the intention of messing around with Throw Team-Mate, as it seems fun. However, the interactions between Throw Team-Mate, Always Hungry, Really Stupid, and Right Stuff end up being relatively complex. Enough so that I felt compelled to plot it all out in a flowchart to make sure I was understanding it properly.

I posted an earlier draft of this to Reddit earlier today, and got good feedback. Would love to solicit you good folks for feedback as well.

The ultimate goal is a printable quick reference card for sorting through these rules in an efficient and conflict-free manner.

Thanks in advance for any help!


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 Post subject: Re: Troll Logic (have I got this right?)
 Post Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 11:59 pm 
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I did not see any errors in the chart.

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 Post subject: Re: Troll Logic (have I got this right?)
 Post Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 12:22 am 
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GalakStarscraper wrote:
I did not see any errors in the chart.


Thank you for giving it a look! Most obliged.


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 Post subject: Re: Troll Logic (have I got this right?)
 Post Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 12:43 am 
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Always Hungry wrote:
If the team-mate had the ball it will scatter once
from the team-mate's square.

Your flow chart has the ball scattering from the Troll's square in the event of an eaten ball carrier, but my reading of Always Hungry says it should scatter from where the Goblin originally was.

Also, I don't think it's a Turnover if a Goblin who doesn't have the ball is eaten.

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 Post subject: Re: Troll Logic (have I got this right?)
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birdman37 wrote:
Always Hungry wrote:
If the team-mate had the ball it will scatter once
from the team-mate's square.

Your flow chart has the ball scattering from the Troll's square in the event of an eaten ball carrier, but my reading of Always Hungry says it should scatter from where the Goblin originally was.

Also, I don't think it's a Turnover if a Goblin who doesn't have the ball is eaten.


Nice catches, thank you! I've updated the flowchart to incorporate your feedback. Awesome!


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Really Stupid fails on a 1-3 unless there's a non-Really Stupid adjacent at the time of the roll.

(Technically it always fails of on a 1-3, just you get a +2 modifier.)

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 Post subject: Re: Troll Logic (have I got this right?)
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Guess I need to read closer ... HA!

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Thanks again, all, for the close reading!

I've updated the flowchart to remove all reference to specific D6 values, as they vary a lot (as noted!) and are situational. This way it stays a bit cleaner and focuses on the bigger picture - following the twisting and turning path of the rules interactions.

I really appreciate this help, thanks!


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 Post subject: Re: Troll Logic (have I got this right?)
 Post Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 8:19 am 
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It also misses the interaction where a landing roll isn't made if the goblin landed on another player (in that case the goblin is prone and has to take an armour roll). At the moment he just skips across enemy players knocking them down then gets to stand up as if nothing happened :)

I think this simply means the "yes" arrow from goblin still on pitch just needs to point to the "goblin placed prone and takes armour roll" box instead of the landing roll action.


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Fold wrote:
I think this simply means the "yes" arrow from goblin still on pitch just needs to point to the "goblin placed prone and takes armour roll" box instead of the landing roll action.


It does indeed! Thank you so much. I've updated the file.


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 Post subject: Re: Troll Logic (have I got this right?)
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That's a great flow chart, mostly playing online all this is done for you.

Looking at that chart I can see how people would get confused with all the possible outcomes.

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