Does pouring rain affect hand off actions?

[J_Bone]

A bit of an interesting one I think as there is some room for interpretation in the CRP.

Does the 'pouring rain' weather table result affect hand-off actions?

This came up last night... It wasn't in my game but another table had pouring rain and played with the pouring rain not affecting the hand-offs. I would have thought that it would add a -1 modifier to the hand-off as it is technically a 'Catch roll' (and it is specified as such in the hand-off rules).

The counter argument to this may be that in the 'Catch' ability description it adds a second sentence to say that you can also re-roll failed hand-offs and interceptions, which may suggest that it is a different type of roll altogether (although I believe this was just added for clarity).

What do you think? How do you guys play it? I have never considered this one before.

[howlinggriffon]

Pouring rain doesn't affect the hand-off action. It does affect catching the ball though. It's a -1 modifier to catching the ball.

[J_Bone]

Is that from an official source? Because the wording in the hand-off rule saying to use the rules as per the 'Catching the Ball on page 13' rules and using a capital 'C' on the term "Catch roll" is quite misleading in that case.

[Loki]

My understanding is that the roll for the hand off does get a -1 from pouring rain and for that matter Disturbing Presence.

It's a catch, trying to say that because it's a catch from a hand-off rather than a pass or bouncing ball it is different is just being beardy (no offence J_Bone )

[lunchmoney]

Seems pretty clear to me.

Handing Off:
...the player that the ball is handed off to must roll to see
if he catches the ball (see Catching the Ball on page 13).

It's a catch roll.

Pouring Rain:
It's raining, making the ball slippery and
difficult to hold. A -1 modifier applies to all catch,
intercept, or pick-up rolls.

It affects catch rolls, which the hand off needs to be caught.


I see your point about the separate sentence on the Catch skill description, but I don’t think that matters. It's a catch roll, rain affects it.

[J_Bone]

My understanding is that the roll for the hand off does get a -1 from pouring rain and for that matter Disturbing Presence.

It's a catch, trying to say that because it's a catch from a hand-off rather than a pass or bouncing ball it is different is just being beardy (no offence J_Bone )

No offence taken mate... In fact, I agree with you. I have tried to be neutral in order to get people's unbiased views but mine would be that, yes... It's a catch roll so it would affect it. I just wondered how other people saw it as because it is not specifically stated in the weather table the guys who played last night did not think to apply it.

[J_Bone]

Wait... I just got it.

Beardy.

You git.

[howlinggriffon]

One interesting thing about this is that I hadn't realised that I could elect to hand the ball off to an opposing player.

[J_Bone]

Yes... I'd never spotted that before either! "when you hand the ball off to another player, friend or foe". Madness!

[J_Bone]

Although that would be a turnover as it would have come to rest without being caught by a member of the moving team...

[lunchmoney]

Yes... I'd never spotted that before either! "when you hand the ball off to another player, friend or foe". Madness!

If you are feeling saucy that also applies to bombs. Of course there's nothing to stop them handing it back.....

[Sandwich]

If you are feeling saucy that also applies to bombs. Of course there's nothing to stop them handing it back.....

Unfortunately not... as you can't hand-off a bomb

[sann0638]

I always think of it as any roll that involves getting your hands on the ball/bomb.

[J_Bone]

This leads to another funny one that came up last night... Catching the bomb. If it hits the target square is it counted as being "accurate" when it comes to catching it i.e. +1 to catch? It seems counterintuitive to have somebody being able to take advantage of the accurate throw when it comes to catching something thrown by the opposing team. However, the rulebook appears to define an accurate throw as the thrower having passed the necessary passing agility roll to hit the target square without scattering. I think this may be quite cut and dry but it still led to discussion due to it being a bit of an odd idea.

[lunchmoney]

If you are feeling saucy that also applies to bombs. Of course there's nothing to stop them handing it back.....

Unfortunately not... as you can't hand-off a bomb

Yep, my mistake. Pass Actions only with Bombs