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 Post subject: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:41 am 
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After first listening on the goblin orca-cola podcast with this great gobbo player i checken out his blogg.

On it he posted that a hailmary passed bomb could not be thrown back at him.

Din i just misread the whole thing or have i missed something critical?

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And then of course there's Combustaball. Normally bombadiers are a pretty marginal inclusion on a goblin squad, as their range is limited, their accuracy is atrocious, and they're just as likely to blow up your own team (or himself) as the opposition. But a HMP bomber is a completely different question; unlimited range, can't be intercepted (or thrown back!), and almost impossible to fumble if you've a reroll in hand. He's sooooo much fun to use, even if he misses as often as he hits.

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 Post subject: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:44 am 
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The ball can be caught by your own player or an opposition player if it lands in their square (or adjacent if they have Diving Catch) and thrown back that way but certainly not intercepted.


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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 3:32 am 
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I know it cant be intercepted. It was the "not throw" back thingie that made me really confused :?: :?: :?:


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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 4:06 am 
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He's incorrect in that post, but I wont be reading the full 129 page thread to see if anyone corrected him. ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:25 am 
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It was probably ment in terms of the HMP Bomber being lined up right at the back of his own half so if he throws a HMP bomb onto mid-field or the other players half, for the bomb to be thrown back AT THE BOMBER then the bomb has to scatter onto a player, be caught and then thrown back at long-bomb range. I would guess.

Bottom line, if someone is in a square where a bomb is to land, if they catchit they can throw it, HMP doesn't affect that.

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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 7:55 am 
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IIRC, if they catch it, they must throw it. If they don't want to throw, just decline catching and enjoy the boom. Probably the rules are so to avoid wasting time with purposeless rolls.


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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:41 am 
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Could it also be a glitch in the Cyanide version? As I understand, Dalryk is only playing the online version.

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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 9:05 am 
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Saebelsultan wrote:
Could it also be a glitch in the Cyanide version? As I understand, Dalryk is only playing the online version.

Many "glitches" in Cyanide's version about the HMP. The fact you can use it in a blizzard is one. It wouldnt surprise me that you can intercept a HMP as well.

But as far the rules are concerned, you cant intercept a HMP, but if the ball/bomb happens to land on player they can catch it. And if it's a bomb you have to throw it back if you catch it.

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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:09 am 
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Thats what i thought. Thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 1:23 am 
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Steam Ball wrote:
IIRC, if they catch it, they must throw it. If they don't want to throw, just decline catching and enjoy the boom. Probably the rules are so to avoid wasting time with purposeless rolls.

Rolling to catch is never optional.
p. 63 wrote:
A bomb may be intercepted or caught using the same rules for catching the ball

p. 13 wrote:
If the ball lands in a square occupied by a standing player, then the player must attempt to catch the ball.

Emphasis was not added by me.
I know p. 63 says "may," but having read several of Galak's post on this forum I can confidently say that the possibility of not catching the bomb is determined by the dice not the coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 1:55 am 
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CyberedElf wrote:
Steam Ball wrote:
IIRC, if they catch it, they must throw it. If they don't want to throw, just decline catching and enjoy the boom. Probably the rules are so to avoid wasting time with purposeless rolls.

Rolling to catch is never optional.

Well, then why the bombardier rule says "or is declined"?
page 63 wrote:
The bomb explodes when it lands in an empty square or an opportunity to catch the bomb fails or is declined (i.e., bombs don’t ‘bounce’).


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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:39 pm 
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Maybe a dumb question but just to be sure: if a bomb is thrown at a big guy who need activation he don't need to do the activation roll, right?


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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
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Correct.

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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 7:06 am 
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Mhorr wrote:
Maybe a dumb question but just to be sure: if a bomb is thrown at a big guy who need activation he don't need to do the activation roll, right?

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Correct.

To expand, Big Guys (and vampires) only need to roll for their nega-trait if they declare an action. Them catching a ball/bomb is not a declared action. However, if a Bone Head or Really Stupid player currently has no tackle zone due to failing their roll, they cannot attempt the catch (this is great fun, tossing a bomb in the chest of a stupid troll :) )

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 Post subject: Re: Hailmary Goblin Bombardier
 Post Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 8:16 am 
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I would had say all that too...
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A bomb may be intercepted or caught using the same rules for catching the ball, in which case the player catching it must throw it again immediately. This is a special bonus Action that takes place out of the normal sequence of play.

but it says "bonus action". Maybe that is why Mhorr asked? Maybe it should not say action? :-?


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