Eclipse + Ball & Chain

stashman · Post by **stashman** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 10:09 pm

Dirty trick card eclipse in on.

A goblin fanatic turns to an standard goblin.

That goblin falls prone in the turn.

Next turn he is back to be a fanatic.

What happens???

Do the player just stand up (cost 3 ma)???
Do the player get knock-out???

Help me out!!!

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Apr 06, 2015 11:30 pm

I'd say stands up, as wasn't knocked prone when b&c was in effect.

stashman · Post by **stashman** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:01 am

Yes. But a ball&chain can't move like that.

So it will be a strange situation.

dode74 · Post by **dode74** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 6:04 am

Where does it say he can't move like that? It merely says that if he is Knocked Down or Placed Prone then you roll for injury, with Stuns treated as KOs.

stanrichardson · Post by **stanrichardson** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 7:10 am

I'd say he hits the ground like a normal goblin.

Until eclipse wears off then the b and c kick in rules about going prone and u roll for injury.

Vanguard · Post by **Vanguard** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 8:11 am

dode74 wrote:Where does it say he can't move like that? It merely says that if he is Knocked Down or Placed Prone then you roll for injury, with Stuns treated as KOs.

Fanatics cannot normally stand up as they are typically removed from the pitch when knocked over - automatic injury with KO result minimum.
I'm with Darkson on this one, Ball & Chain is not in effect when the player goes down and it cannot be retrospectively applied when Ball & Chain returns. Lose three MA to stand up and move as normal (for a Fanatic) from there.

dode74 · Post by **dode74** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 9:31 am

Fanatics cannot normally stand up as they are typically removed from the pitch when knocked over - automatic injury with KO result minimum.

Fanatics do not normally stand up, which is not the same as can not normally stand up. That's the distinction I was making: stashman has interpreted something a Fanatic does not normally do as something they can not do. Move Actions allow the player to stand up, and a B&C can make a Move Action.

Vanguard · Post by **Vanguard** » Tue Apr 07, 2015 11:07 am

Yes, 'do not' is better than 'cannot' but I think we're making the same point.

daloonieshaman · Post by **daloonieshaman** » Wed Apr 08, 2015 12:31 am

he stands up and starts whipping it like normal

it is much like him being KOed and using an apoth on him where he remains on the pitch prone (then stands up and kicks your butt)

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 3:38 am

dode74 wrote:
Fanatics cannot normally stand up as they are typically removed from the pitch when knocked over - automatic injury with KO result minimum.
Fanatics do not normally stand up, which is not the same as can not normally stand up. That's the distinction I was making: stashman has interpreted something a Fanatic does not normally do as something they can not do. Move Actions allow the player to stand up, and a B&C can make a Move Action.

Agree with dode's opinion.

Shteve0 · Post by **Shteve0** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:42 am

Vanguard wrote:
dode74 wrote:Where does it say he can't move like that? It merely says that if he is Knocked Down or Placed Prone then you roll for injury, with Stuns treated as KOs.
Fanatics cannot normally stand up as they are typically removed from the pitch when knocked over - automatic injury with KO result minimum.
I'm with Darkson on this one, Ball & Chain is not in effect when the player goes down and it cannot be retrospectively applied when Ball & Chain returns. Lose three MA to stand up and move as normal (for a Fanatic) from there.

What about wrestle?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:51 am

Wrestle would place the Fanatic prone, so would remove from the pitch.

daloonieshaman · Post by **daloonieshaman** » Thu Apr 09, 2015 6:23 am

Darkson wrote:Wrestle would place the Fanatic prone, so would remove from the pitch.

unless you apoth him....

Xeterog · Post by **Xeterog** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 11:18 pm

even if you apoth him, as the KO is turned into a stun by the apoth, which is in turn turned into a KO because he is a fanatic.

daloonieshaman · Post by **daloonieshaman** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:40 am

Xeterog wrote:even if you apoth him, as the KO is turned into a stun by the apoth, which is in turn turned into a KO because he is a fanatic.

nope
it was explained in great detail in another thread
he is not knocked down nor is he placed prone
in short the apoth states "leave the player on the pitch stunned"

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