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Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 4:02 pm
by Bakunin
It is the last turn in a match. One of my players fail a GFI into the endzone.
He falls and dies. The ball scatter one of my players standing in the endzone.
Do I get a TD or is the game over as soon as I failed my GFI ?
I would rule that I get the TD.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 4:09 pm
by sann0638
Yep, I would say so. Being knocked down ends your turn, but there is no reason to end the game until the ball has stopped bouncing.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 4:09 pm
by Chris
I would say yes, as soon as you have a player standing in the enemy end zone with the ball you score. Note you can score when it isn't your turn.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 6:33 pm
by Darkson
CRP p.8 wrote:A coach that suffers a turnover is not allowed to take any further Actions that turn, and any Action being taken ends immediately even if it was only partially completed. Make armour and injury rolls for players that were knocked down, and if the ball was dropped then roll to see where it bounces to normally. Stunned players should be turned face up, and then the opposing coach
may start to take his turn.
So the turn doesn't end until the "clean-up" is done.
CRP p.15 wrote:A team scores a touchdown during their turn when one of their players is standing in the opposing team’s End Zone while holding the ball at the end of any of your players' Actions.
Emphasis as per the CRP.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 7:44 pm
by Noble
Darkson wrote:CRP p.8 wrote:A coach that suffers a turnover is not allowed to take any further Actions that turn, and any Action being taken ends immediately even if it was only partially completed. Make armour and injury rolls for players that were knocked down, and if the ball was dropped then roll to see where it bounces to normally. Stunned players should be turned face up, and then the opposing coach
may start to take his turn.
So the turn doesn't end until the "clean-up" is done.
CRP p.15 wrote:A team scores a touchdown during their turn when one of their players is standing in the opposing team’s End Zone while holding the ball at the end of any of your players' Actions.
Emphasis as per the CRP.
There is a difference between turn and Action. If an action ends immediately, then it is before any other rolls! And a TD is scored if a player is holding the ball in the End Zone "at the end of
any of your players' Actions".
In this case the Action has already ended when the player catches the bounce. => no TD until the opponents turn.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 8:37 pm
by Chris
Noble wrote:In this case the Action has already ended when the player catches the bounce. => no TD until the opponents turn.
If that were the case, since I cant use a wizard after anything has happened how does that work?
I am quite happy for it to be part of the 'clean up'.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 8:48 pm
by sann0638
Comes down to rules lawyering, this one.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:01 pm
by runewinther
It is the last turn in a match.
One of my players has the ball
the opponent blitzes and rolles both down
in my endzone the opponent has a player, the ball ends up on that player
Dos the opponent get a TD or is the game over as soon as the opponent failed the block ?
or
if it is my turn ( still being the last trun of the match ) and i failed a.
A- go for it.
B- dodge.
C- hand of.
D- pass.
E- catch.
F- pick up.
G- block (skull(`s)
H- blitz
I- foul
or
J- if i surf my self and it is a throw in form the crowds
and then
the ball ends up on one of the opponents player in my endzone is it a TD
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:03 pm
by Smeborg
I think these things are typically played by "convention" in the traditional British manner, rather than by "rules lawyering" in the traditional American fashion. I have to say I have never played or observed a game in which there has been any dispute over when the turn "ends".
In an ideal world, the rulebook would contain a definition of what constitutes a turn, when it begins, when it ends, and what (if anything) takes place between turns. This could be done in a simple glossary to avoid clutter.
But we have what we have.
All the best.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:36 am
by daloonieshaman
runewinther wrote:It is the last turn in a match.
One of my players has the ball
the opponent blitzes and rolles both down
in my endzone the opponent has a player, the ball ends up on that player
Dos the opponent get a TD or is the game over as soon as the opponent failed the block ?
TOUCHDOWN
or
if it is my turn ( still being the last trun of the match ) and i failed a.
A- go for it.
B- dodge.
C- hand of.
D- pass.
E- catch.
F- pick up.
G- block (skull(`s)
H- blitz
I- foul
or
J- if i surf my self and it is a throw in form the crowds
and then
the ball ends up on one of the opponents player in my endzone is it a TD
TOUCHDOWN when the ball stops moving and ends up in a players hands who is standing in the approprate endzone
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:26 pm
by MattDakka
Bakunin wrote:
I would rule that I get the TD.
Yes.
Your turn ends when your player fails the GFI, after that the ball bounces and IF it is caught by another player on your team standing in the End Zone THEN the TD is scored, technically in-between your just-ended turn and your opponent's turn.
By the way, on Cyanide a Dwarf runner tripped while dodging to the square where the ball was (I was marking it with 2-3 WE players), the ball bounced and ended into another Dwarf Runner's hands, who scored the TD.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:32 pm
by burgun824
Yes...I concur. TD for you.
...but why did you just have another player standing in the end zone?
...and why hadn't he been surfed yet?
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:37 pm
by MattDakka
New metagame: crowding the End Zone with Stand Firm/Side Step players waiting for a scattering ball.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:17 pm
by Loki
burgun824 wrote:Yes...I concur. TD for you.
...but why did you just have another player standing in the end zone?
It's rare but if it come down to a player needing a GFi into the Endzone and you happen to have players who can stand in the adjacent squares, why not do it? I know I have down it in the past i.e. when moving them them there involves no more dice rolls than just leaving them where they are. If you get one either side, if (when
) the whiteline GFi fails you have a slightly bettter than 25% chance of someone getting a chance to catch it for a TD.
Re: Failed GFI in endzone, TD or not?
Posted: Tue May 19, 2015 1:58 pm
by mawph
burgun824 wrote:Yes...I concur. TD for you.
...but why did you just have another player standing in the end zone?
...and why hadn't he been surfed yet?
Vampires maybe? Always need a snack in the endzone when carrying with a vamp, just in case of last second hunger