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Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:30 pm
by sann0638
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If two slann catchers on the same team are adjacent to the ball, I have always played that neither of them can use it, but re-reading the rulebook says that if there are two "attempting" to use it then neither can, which implies that one of them could not attempt to use it and the other could.
Has this been clarified before?
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:46 pm
by Darkson
Yes, by the rules saying that unless stated, no skill use is mandatory. The rule is written in that way in case of the event of both teams having a DC player in range of the ball.
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:39 pm
by Loki
Darkson wrote:Yes, by the rules saying that unless stated, no skill use is mandatory. The rule is written in that way in case of the event of both teams having a DC player in range of the ball.
+1
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:51 pm
by sann0638
Makes sense, I wonder where I got the clash from.
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 2:37 pm
by Wifflebat
Another necro here--anything preventing each of them from using the skill in turn? We know two players can't use it at the same time (preventing opposing teams from fighting over the ball), but do we think that applies to any multiple applications of the skill to the same pass?
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:13 am
by daloonieshaman
during kickoff when I am trying to steal the ball from you by kicking it near the LoS and I get lucky and it comes down next to the guy I have on the line
or blitz
or throwins
or "punts"
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:55 am
by Darkson
Is there a question in there? If you (as the kicking team) use DC with a player in your own half to catch the ball, it's a touchback as the ball has landed in your own half.
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:58 am
by Darkson
Wifflebat wrote:Another necro here--anything preventing each of them from using the skill in turn? We know two players can't use it at the same time (preventing opposing teams from fighting over the ball), but do we think that applies to any multiple applications of the skill to the same pass?
Once a player uses DC it's a failed catch, which means the ball now bounces so the 2nd player can't use DC.
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2017 3:36 pm
by daloonieshaman
Darkson wrote:Is there a question in there? If you (as the kicking team) use DC with a player in your own half to catch the ball, it's a touchback as the ball has landed in your own half.
I am trying to find the exact wording but I cannot find my basic rules
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 8:55 pm
by daloonieshaman
A kick off must land in the opponent's half of the pitch. Assuming the ball lands in the receiving team's half of the pitch, then it will either land in an empty square or a square occupied by a player. If the ball lands in an empty square, it will bounce one more square. If the ball lands on a square occupied by a player, the player must try to catch the ball. If the ball scatters or bounces off the pitch or into the kicking team's half, the receiving coach is awarded a touchback and must give the ball to any player in their team.
Hmmm
The ball comes down in a square next to the line
A kicking teams player uses diving catch and snags the ball
Because the ball did not scatter or bounce into the kicking team's half it is clearly not a touchback
Hmmm
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:34 pm
by Darkson
DC means the ball was caught in the DCs square, which means it lands in the kicking teams half which is a touchback. First line you quoted - "must land in the opponent's half" - if you use DC on the line it didn't.
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:23 am
by daloonieshaman
I have to read diving catch again
By definition of kickoff the ball lands in a square occupied by a player they must attempt to catch it
So by that definition the ball "lands" in the empty square next to the line and is either caught by the D.C. Or it bounces
Again unless he fails to catch it and it bounces across the line there is no touchback
I see where you are thinking that the player pulls it to he square and you perceive it "landing" in his square needless to say I do not agree with your precption of the ball "landing"
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 7:19 am
by Darkson
Then you can disagree with the FAQ as well:
Q: If a player from your team fails to catch a ball from a kick-off, and the ball
bounces over the line of scrimmage is it a touchback?
A: Yes, any event that causes the ball to go out of bounds or over the line of
scrimmage during a kick-off results in a touchback
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:19 pm
by GalakStarscraper
Darkson wrote:A: Yes, any event that causes the ball to go ... over the line of
scrimmage during a kick-off results in a touchback
This
Re: Diving Catch - 2 players with the skill
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:13 pm
by Twelfman
Question: If the ball is going to land between two pieces on opposing teams that have DC, who decides if they're going to use it first or not? Person 1 might want to use it but person 2 might not. Or vice versa.