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Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 6:32 am
by Marlow
Salutations Folks,

We managed to stump the refs at NAF Champs yesterday as they could not agree if a player who has been affected by Hypnotic Gaze can use Side Step when being pushed back. Does it count as voluntarily moving? Similarly can a player use Stand Firm if gazed?

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 6:48 am
by lunchmoney
You didn't ask this ref....

SS does not need an active tackle zone to work, and being pushed is not moving voluntarily, so I'd say you can use SS is you have been hypno gazed.

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 6:49 am
by Darkson
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=27243&hilit=gaze+sidestep

Short answer - yes, a Gazed player can use SS/SF.

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 7:20 am
by Pipey
I felt it was in the 'ambiguous / not clearly specified' category.

So being pushed is passive, but sidestepping is active since it involves movement to a chosen square. With the rules unclear (sometimes happens with unusual combinations like this) we suggested a 4+ to resolve it.

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Sun May 01, 2016 8:06 am
by lunchmoney
That works :)

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:24 am
by Bakunin
the faq gives the answer....

"Players under influence of Bone-head, Really Stupid, or Hypnotic
Gaze cannot use skills that allow them to move voluntarily. Which skills
are not allowed to be used as they are considered moving voluntarily?
A: Skills that allow you to leave your square without being forced to leave
your square in the first place. These skills are Diving Tackle, Pass Block,
and Shadowing."

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:10 am
by Regash
Good find! Image Problem solved! Thank you!

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 12:38 pm
by GalakStarscraper
Bakunin said what I was going to say. That FAQ fully answers this one

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:03 pm
by Pipey
Ignore me - tired :-/

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Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:32 pm
by dode74
How is it ambiguous? The FAQ directly asks which skills involving moving the player cannot be used with (among other things) Hypno Gaze in effect and gives a definitive list. Sidestep is not on that list.

Re: Hypnotic Gaze vs Sidestep - We stumped the NAFC Refs!

Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 3:47 pm
by Pipey
I'm confused. Long weekend. Probably best ignore me :)