Interceptions totally different now?!?

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Interceptions totally different now?!?

Post by daloonieshaman »

pg 31 of the rulebook Interceptions
the interceptor must now be closer to the thrower than the thrower is to the target
and
the interceptor must be closer to the target than the thrower

so

if the thrower is 2 squares away from the target the interceptor cannot be 2 squares away, he must be one square away
(side by side to the thrower or target is no longer an option)

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Is that from the new book? Unless I'm missing something that hasn't changed:
CRP wrote:Interceptions
One player on the opposing team may attempt to intercept a
thrown ball. To be able to make an interception, the player must:
• have the plastic Range Ruler pass over at least part of the
square the intercepting play is standing in, and …
• have a tackle zone, and …
• be closer to the thrower than the thrower is to the target
player/square of the pass, and …
• be closer to the target player/square of the pass than the
thrower is to the target player/square of the pass.

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Post by daloonieshaman »

that is correct
but it has been played that if you are next to a player or the passer you may intercept the ball
cant remember the exact thread

XtX
XXX
XRI

x=empty square
t= thrower
R=Receiver
I+ interceptor



the only way to intercept according to your verbage and the verbage from the new rules is

xTx
III
xRX

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Interesting, when I'm TOing I've always said you shouldn't be trying to intercept if you are side by side with Thrower or Catcher when they are 'straight' which was based on what was written in CRP. It changes if they are not 'straight'. Fairly certain I had to talk to this with someone at a tournament last year before BB2016 came out.

from your example

although
xTx
xxx
XRI

is a no to intercept

xxT
xxx
xRI

is yes as I is closer to T than R is to T.

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The second way is the way I've always played it based on the CRP rules.

Maybe people think of Pass Block and sort of lump the adjacent player in because that would be a legal square to move to?

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Loki wrote:Interesting, when I'm TOing I've always said you shouldn't be trying to intercept if you are side by side with Thrower or Catcher when they are 'straight' which was based on what was written in CRP. It changes if they are not 'straight'. Fairly certain I had to talk to this with someone at a tournament last year before BB2016 came out.

from your example

although
xTx
xxx
XRI

is a no to intercept

xxT
xxx
xRI

is yes as I is closer to T than R is to T.
This all depends on how you are measuring distance for the purposes of closer. In the second example the Interceptor is closer to the thrower by absolute distance. However, if you're counting squares then they're both equidistant from the Thrower.
Normally I'd argue that the base measurement in a squares-based board game is squares. However, Throwing in Blood Bowl is already an oddity in that way in that it ignores the board and uses a template.
So I'm agreeing with Loki here that the range ruler would be the measuring reference but it's not explicitly clear.

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Vanguard wrote:
Loki wrote:Interesting, when I'm TOing I've always said you shouldn't be trying to intercept if you are side by side with Thrower or Catcher when they are 'straight' which was based on what was written in CRP. It changes if they are not 'straight'. Fairly certain I had to talk to this with someone at a tournament last year before BB2016 came out.

from your example

although
xTx
xxx
XRI

is a no to intercept

xxT
xxx
xRI


is yes as I is closer to T than R is to T.
This all depends on how you are measuring distance for the purposes of closer. In the second example the Interceptor is closer to the thrower by absolute distance. However, if you're counting squares then they're both equidistant from the Thrower.
Normally I'd argue that the base measurement in a squares-based board game is squares. However, Throwing in Blood Bowl is already an oddity in that way in that it ignores the board and uses a template.
So I'm agreeing with Loki here that the range ruler would be the measuring reference but it's not explicitly clear.
Whether board or template, the scenario I've highlighted red has I closer to T than R surely? When using the throwing chart, you have a set number of squares forward, which then influences how many lateral squares you can throw the thing.
The only time that the lateral squares doesn't matter is when moving.

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Passing uses the range ruler, which is an absolute distance. This suggests (although it is not certain) that absolute distance is what matters for interceptions as well.

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I know passing has been jacked forever
(Intercept before pass roll, odd angles of "circular distance on a square grid from an angle, inside the passing range ect)

at a 45degree angle one could argue that the Interceptor is closer by absolute distance (easier to see at such an angle)

xxxxxxxxT
xxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxx
xxRIxxxxxxx

and with the range ruler and all it gets real squrelily if the Interceptor is next to the Passer
For cleanness, ease of play, BETTER PLAYER EXPERIENCE, (there is no realism in the game so lets try to stay out of that as tackle zones making it harder already account for the guy being next to you making it harder to catch) I personally think it SHOULD be

TTTTTTTT
IIIIIIIIIIIIIII
IIIIIIIIIIIIII
IIIIIIIIIIIIII
RRRRRRR

not

TITITITITITI
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
RIRIRIRIRIRIRI


ahhhh
thought on next to reasoning

you may NEVER attempt to intercept a handoff
the players are next to each other and it accounts for tackle zones for the catch the potential Interceptor is right there
ITI
RII

-2 to catch why no Interception attempt BECAUSE ALL OF THE INTERCEPTION RULES ARE NOT SATISFIED (and it is a hand off action not a pass action)

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BECAUSE ALL OF THE INTERCEPTION RULES ARE NOT SATISFIED (and it is a hand off action not a pass action)
Yeah, I think you've emphasised the less important bit there ;)

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Tip, use the code tags for asciiart:

Code: Select all

TTTTTTTT
IIIIIIIIIIIIIII
IIIIIIIIIIIIII
IIIIIIIIIIIIII
RRRRRRR

xxxxxxxxT
xxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxx
xxRIxxxxxxx
You will have to use preview a lot, or copy paste from an editor with fixed font or tweak the edit box (force it to use fixed font). But at least the result will look clearer.

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Isn't that just the CRP rules?
I doesn't say to measure in Squares. It's "closer" in actual distance.

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mawph wrote: xxT
xxx
xRI
Vanguard wrote: This all depends on how you are measuring distance for the purposes of closer. In the second example the Interceptor is closer to the thrower by absolute distance. However, if you're counting squares then they're both equidistant from the Thrower.
Normally I'd argue that the base measurement in a squares-based board game is squares. However, Throwing in Blood Bowl is already an oddity in that way in that it ignores the board and uses a template.
So I'm agreeing with Loki here that the range ruler would be the measuring reference but it's not explicitly clear.
Whether board or template, the scenario I've highlighted red has I closer to T than R surely? When using the throwing chart, you have a set number of squares forward, which then influences how many lateral squares you can throw the thing.
The only time that the lateral squares doesn't matter is when moving.
For the sake of argument, I'd say no. By absolute distance (direct line from centre of square to centre of square as implied by Throwing rules) the the interceptor is closer to the Thrower. However, if you decide that squares is the unit of measurement then both the Catcher and the Interceptor are two squares away from the Thrower.

Going back to the original post, I don't believe anything has changed from CRP rules.

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Rules-wise, it doesn't seem like anything has changed since the last time you guys had this conversation:

viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29833

(In which measurements were to be based on distance, not squares as if you were moving)

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Wifflebat wrote:Rules-wise, it doesn't seem like anything has changed since the last time you guys had this conversation....
Which has been stated several times, now.

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