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Failed pickup at end of game
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:33 am
by kwarrend
So it's turn 8, the ball is in the end zone. I go to pick it up and fail. Does the game end immediately or do we roll for scatter and wait til it lands before the game ends?
In the "Picking Up the Ball" section of the rules it states "If the player drops the ball then their team suffers a turnover and their turn ends immediately". But on Page 19 in the "Turnovers" section it says "The turnover does not take place until the ball finally comes to rest."
So I'm assuming the answer is "scatter first, then game ends", which, in theory, could give your player another chance to catch the ball if it managed to bounce back to them (after a failed catch by an adjacent player or throw in from crowd), and score a td.
Re: Failed pickup at end of game
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:37 am
by fire olli
Dropped pick up ball will end the game, that is a turn over
Failed catch you would scatter as someone else on your team could catch the ball before it came to rest.
Re: Failed pickup at end of game
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:28 pm
by Loki
Deleted: I was talking rubbish
Re: Failed pickup at end of game
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:13 pm
by Darkson
Potential TD.
The turn doesn't end until the ball comes to rest, so if you're lucky enough for it to scatter into the square of a team-mate in the EZ who catches the ball you score.
Re: Failed pickup at end of game
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:18 pm
by sann0638
Wasn't this clarified before? Not that it's on my list...
Re: Failed pickup at end of game
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:22 pm
by Darkson
I thought so to, so went hunting, but it was a Failed GFI to score that scattered to a team-mate (not that that makes any difference):
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=41277&start=30#p742069
Re: Failed pickup at end of game
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:28 pm
by Loki
Yep but Tom's comclusions are still valid...
GalakStarscraper wrote:Went through to make sure I read everything and this would be my ruling:
1) Nothing on page 8 says the TURN ends immediately ... its say the ACTION ends immediately and that the TURN enters into a wrap up process.
2) In addition to not saying explicitly that the turn ends immediately, it in fact says that many things happen BEFORE the turn ends as a wrap-up to the turn. Making it clear that there are many events that take place before the turn ends.
3) When we read page 15 and see the text "at the end of any of your players' Actions". We look at the items from 1 and 2 above.
a) Is the Action ended, YES.
b) Is the turn ended when the player has the ball in his possession, NO.
So that would mean that the condition for the touchdown has been met.
As another look at it: Move the GFI to the other end of the pitch and now have an opponent catch the ball. Would you argue that this is not TD? I would say the wording of the rulebook makes it clear that it is a TD. So in effect saying the scenario under discussion is not a TD would suggest rules in direct opposition to each other for how TD scoring works. That was definitely not the spirit of the game design.
A 2nd another way to look at this ... the game was not designed to have inconsistent rulings just based on what turn it is. If the scenario happened on turns 1 to 7 ... no one would argue that a TD has been scored. So to say that Turn 8 has a different ruling was really not in the spirit of the game design. However ... I do not think this is an issue as to my read a TD is scored with the current wording in the rulebook.
Galak
That's was from CRP was original question related to BB2016?