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 Post subject: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:47 pm 
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Does the same argument that allows Ball And Chain movement direction to use a Team Reroll allow a thrown teammate's scatter to be rerolled?


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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:49 pm 
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iamcrazyjoe wrote:
Does the same argument that allows Ball And Chain movement direction to use a Team Reroll ...?

What argument is that?

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....allow a thrown teammate's scatter to be rerolled


No, you cannot reroll the scatter roll.

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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:23 pm 
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Ball and Chain reroll is allowed specifically by designer intent rather than by rules interpretation.

It's counterintuitive perhaps, when just reading the rules, but B&C reroll has been allowed for.

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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 3:37 pm 
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this one
http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/view ... 24&t=29746

since Scatter is listed separately than Direction, I guess the question becomes does it allow for Doom Diver with Swoop to reroll their Direction as well, or is it just considered Scatter with different template.


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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
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iamcrazyjoe wrote:
this one
http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/view ... 24&t=29746

since Scatter is listed separately than Direction, I guess the question becomes does it allow for Doom Diver with Swoop to reroll their Direction as well, or is it just considered Scatter with different template.


I've been thinking that it should be rerollable; I'm hoping it doesn't come up, since I'm the only one playing Goblins in my league and I don't want to have to try to get a ruling that would only ever work in my favor... :)

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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
 Post Posted: Sat Nov 25, 2017 5:42 am 
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Pro skill wrote:
a Pro is allowed to re-roll any one dice roll he has made other than Armor, Injury or Casualty

Arguably, a Pro skilled thrower can re-roll scatter.
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=42847
That discussion predates Swoop.

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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
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Ooh, what about a pro kicker. A rerollable kick off could be pretty powerful.

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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
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Answered in the above discussion. He's not kicking "during a turn" therefore cannot use pro.


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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
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Wifflebat wrote:
iamcrazyjoe wrote:
this one
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=29746

....since I'm the only one playing Goblins in my league and I don't want to have to try to get a ruling that would only ever work in my favor... :)


Your playing Goblins wrong then ;)

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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
 Post Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2017 10:30 am 
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This is highly interesting.

IS there a consensus on this? can pro reroll a landing scatter? And is it the thrower or the lander who needs to have it?

On a tree the first double i block and the second Jump Up, but with this change pro could be more useful than Jump Up...


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 Post subject: Re: Throw Teammate Scatter Reroll
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Galak has said (pre-LRB6) "Scatter dice are just effect dice not rolls made by a player so they cannot be rerolled..." (http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/view ... =24&t=5125, http://www.talkfantasyfootball.org/view ... 24&t=24243)

Which is contradicted specifically for the B&C goblins. This could perhaps thus be applied to Doom Divers, but even that is arguably more of an "effect" than the Ball & Chain.

IMO, a kickoff is pretty definitively not something a player is rolling (the benefit comes from having the player on the field) and thus Pro will have nothing to do with it.

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