Old Skooler returns with slighty less daft question.

Snagar_Dogbreath · Post by **Snagar_Dogbreath** » Sun May 04, 2003 10:07 pm

Actually midgame between Da Big Green Machine (Orcs) Vs Bordelo Ravens (Dark Elfs) and I have a rule query.

My Orc Blitzer blitz a Dark Elf causing the Dark Elf to drop the ball, it scattered onto another Darkie who failed to catch it and then scattered again to my orc lineman....who also failed to catch it.

Does this count as a t/o since it wasn't a pass action or anything and I didn't particularly even want the ball......(it seems exceptionally dodgy if it is)

Could anyone answering also if its not too much trouble give reference to where an incident such as this is mentioned in the rules.

Cheers Folks..

sean newboy · Post by **sean newboy** » Sun May 04, 2003 10:13 pm

No it is not a turnover. Dropping a ball only counts as a to if your team initiated the attempt at ball handling.

Asmodan · Post by **Asmodan** » Mon May 05, 2003 6:30 am

No, a failed catch roll is NEVER a turnover in itself (direct quotage of Galak)

Snagar_Dogbreath · Post by **Snagar_Dogbreath** » Mon May 05, 2003 7:04 am

Asmodan wrote:No, a failed catch roll is NEVER a turnover in itself (direct quotage of Galak)

Can you elaborate on that a bit please matey?

Pitch Dark · Post by **Pitch Dark** » Mon May 05, 2003 8:30 am

I think it has something to do with if your in "posesion" of the ball at the beginging of the turn, or not. Atleast thats the way it was explained to me, but I cant seem to find that in the LRB. Anyone?

Asmodan · Post by **Asmodan** » Mon May 05, 2003 8:51 am

snagar_dogbreath wrote:

Asmodan wrote:
No, a failed catch roll is NEVER a turnover in itself (direct quotage of Galak)

Can you elaborate on that a bit please matey?

What is meant with this is that even when you make a pass you do not suffer a turnover if you fail to catch the ball but because one of your players did not end up with the ball.
And failing to catch a bouncing ball or a ball thrown in from the crowd is not a turnover either as YOU made no action with the ball, it is just bouncing around.

Did this make it any clearer?

Pitch Dark · Post by **Pitch Dark** » Mon May 05, 2003 8:52 am

Anyways, its not a turnover if hes got the ball and "drops" it at you, and you fail to catch it.

It is a turnover though if you fail to pick up the ball from the ground though, even if it scatters to someone in your team. (if it where lying on the ground i mean).

It is however NOT a turnover if you fail to catch an accurate pass, and it scatters and ends up in your posession anyway.

A fumled pass IS a turnover though, even if it ens up in your own posession.

As of a failed pass that ends up in your posession im not sure, but in our league thats not a turnover.

Pitch Dark · Post by **Pitch Dark** » Mon May 05, 2003 8:56 am

thats a good rule of thumb, that if you didnt choose to do the dice-role, if it was forced on you, it isnt a turnover.(or at least initiated it, as in the turnover for a missed catch that scatters to one of your teammembers, that in his turn fails to catch it.

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Somehow i find that my explanations doesent make things any easier.

Asmodan · Post by **Asmodan** » Mon May 05, 2003 8:56 am

pitch dark wrote:

As of a failed pass that ends up in your posession im not sure, but in our league thats not a turnover.

Thats right, an inaccurate pass that is caught by one of your players is NOT a turnover.