Strip Balll & pushing into TD

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:18 pm

neoliminal wrote:Not a TD. Period.

Good, thats how it should be.

Make sure the rulebook reads that way in October or it gets F&Q ... cause right now I'd have to agree that it doesn't based on the wording in the LRB.

Galak

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:56 pm

So to use a real life sporting anology (and this will confuse some people, I know), a TD is only scored when the player has control of the ball (like touching down for a try in rugby) rather than when it crosses the EZ plane. Correct?

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Wed May 07, 2003 11:58 pm

Darkson wrote:So to use a real life sporting anology (and this will confuse some people, I know), a TD is only scored when the player has control of the ball (like touching down for a try in rugby) rather than when it crosses the EZ plane. Correct?

Please don't try and bring real life into this. It has nothing to do with it.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Thu May 08, 2003 12:05 am

(All comments below should be prefaced by the warning that I am completely pissed at the moment.)

Darkson: If you want to get technical, that is absolutely correct in NFL football. In fact, if the ball handler fumbles the ball out of bounds in the end zone, it is considered a safety for the opposing team. 2 points on the board, and the fumbling team does a safety punt to the defence. It happened last year when Stephen Davis fumbled out of the EZ.

Dragoonkin · Post by **Dragoonkin** » Thu May 08, 2003 1:03 am

Is "Not a TD. Period." an official ruling?

Balrog · Post by **Balrog** » Thu May 08, 2003 3:19 am

Dragoonkin wrote:Is "Not a TD. Period." an official ruling?

Not until it makes its way into the FAQ, but for now it's as good as any other interpretation.

-Balrog

Ancalagon · Post by **Ancalagon** » Thu May 08, 2003 6:43 am

neoliminal wrote:Not a TD. Period.

Wow...

clear, concise and strong.

Ancalagon · Post by **Ancalagon** » Thu May 08, 2003 6:47 am

Forget to say:
Thanks Neo!

DaImp · Post by **DaImp** » Thu May 08, 2003 9:50 am

I have always ruled that it is not a TD in every league I have played in.
I must admit I never even questioned it as I thought it was obvious... but clearly there is space for other interpretations.

Moosifer · Post by **Moosifer** » Sat May 10, 2003 3:21 am

How about from another perspective, define "player haivng a ball"

As in, if a player drops a catch in the end zone, it bounces onto to another player, who drops it, and bounces back to the origional player. Now, that player is "touching" the ball, in the endzone, but is not "in control" of the ball.

The way I'd play it is the old "roll dice, resolve dice" actions. As in, you roll, then apply the FULL results of that roll, then carry on from there. Usually the only place this comes up is with passing (everything stops until the final location of the ball is resolved), but with multiple possibles on a block this is the same.

So although the player is pushed into the endzone, you must finish resolving that dice roll before working out if they can score.

I feel that if this situation is considered "scorable" then these otheres should be looked at:

- Thrown player with ball hitting an endzone square. Should they score before or after they made the landing roll (since you can never drop the ball in BB, they hit the ground with the ball in hand)

- POW-ing a player with the ball into the endzone. At what point do they fall down? Do they score before being knocked over.

/me dons wig of arguing with rules lawyers

Player A (with Strip Ball) hits player B with the ball and pushes him into the endzone. At some point in the moving B goes from being in one square to being in the endzone. At the point of change B also loses possesion of the ball (as he is moved by a Push Back, he must also be affected by Strip Ball at the same time).

Therefore there is no point where B is both in the endzone and in possesion of the ball. B is in the exact same position (in game terms) as a player who was pushed onto the ball.

/me removes wig

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 10, 2003 6:21 pm

Moosifer neoliminal is one of the 7 guys who make the rules, so basically what he says goes ;]

Snew · Post by **Snew** » Sun May 18, 2003 4:43 am

neoliminal wrote:Not a TD. Period.

I don't believe you. The rule book doesn't say that.

neoliminal · Post by **neoliminal** » Sun May 18, 2003 6:33 am

snotsngrots wrote:
neoliminal wrote:Not a TD. Period.
I don't believe you. The rule book doesn't say that.

Doesn't say what? Quote the rule on a TD here.

Cervidal · Post by **Cervidal** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:00 am

Pointed out to me in conversation last night:

P. 16:

"A team scores a touchdown when one of their players ends an action standing in the opposing team's End."

Please, drop this argument now. Ended right there. If you're pushed into the end zone, you haven't finished an action. Not a TD.

This also means that a stunty thrown into the endzone after picking up the ball and running next to the Big Guy would not score the touchdown.

Other situations include your own player getting pushed as a result of one of your blocks thrown which moves him into the end zone. Not a TD.

I wish I could claim credit on this one, but John pointed me in the right direction.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:10 am

God bless that Blood bowl rule book.

When is the next time that thing will see print?

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