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 Post subject: Re: Orc advice for a newb!
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 6:15 am 
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Dirty Player can be very valuable against teams with one or two "super stars". If you get a short on these players you need to do everything you can to get them off the pitch. Examples: Witch Elves, War Dancers.
Dirty Player has another less explicit benefit - opponents with high value or favourite players may over-protect these players if they know you have DP.


Trolls - I like trolls at lower TV but at high TV less useful. Only reason I would get one is to have a goblin for any last minute, desperation Throw Team Mate plays. Fun but not worth the Team Value.


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 Post subject: Re: Orc advice for a newb!
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 2:59 pm 
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mattgslater wrote:
nyahoi wrote:
I still cant stop seeing a Troll as mainly an unnecessary 5th black orc that needs babysat!

After 200+ games with Orcs on FUMBBL, about half with a Troll and half without, this is my opinion of Trolls. I don't use a Troll in the ultra-high-TV NBFL, even. (I did for a season, even drafted him with Block and Guard, regretted it. He cost me games and I just missed the playoffs.)

The worst part is that babysitting a Troll isn't enough. Even if all your RS rolls are 2+, they tend to fail at the worst times. Even if you move him first and block with him last and do everything else right.


Hey mattgslater,

i really like your way to play the orcs and i'am curious if you have an updated version of your playstyle guide. I know you have written some awesome threads here but i really want to know what are you thinking right now about orcs. As soon as i am finished with my Simyin project i'll definitly give orcs a long league run...

cheers,

pauli

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 Post subject: Re: Orc advice for a newb!
 Post Posted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 9:45 pm 
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gregory_n_white wrote:
Dirty Player can be very valuable against teams with one or two "super stars". If you get a short on these players you need to do everything you can to get them off the pitch. Examples: Witch Elves, War Dancers.
Dirty Player has another less explicit benefit - opponents with high value or favourite players may over-protect these players if they know you have DP.


Trolls - I like trolls at lower TV but at high TV less useful. Only reason I would get one is to have a goblin for any last minute, desperation Throw Team Mate plays. Fun but not worth the Team Value.


I can definitely understand the want to foul high target threats. My concern there though is does the skill itself get used consistently enough to do so to justify its presence.

Thinking about it though, I think this might actually be the best skill for me for this league that I'm in :D. The majority of my remaining pairings are against teams that have already been through a previous season. A LOT of players on these teams will be incredibly foul worthy compared to my own!


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 Post subject: Re: Orc advice for a newb!
 Post Posted: Tue Mar 07, 2017 1:53 am 
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nyahoi wrote:
gregory_n_white wrote:
Dirty Player can be very valuable against teams with one or two "super stars". If you get a short on these players you need to do everything you can to get them off the pitch. Examples: Witch Elves, War Dancers.
Dirty Player has another less explicit benefit - opponents with high value or favourite players may over-protect these players if they know you have DP.


Trolls - I like trolls at lower TV but at high TV less useful. Only reason I would get one is to have a goblin for any last minute, desperation Throw Team Mate plays. Fun but not worth the Team Value.


I can definitely understand the want to foul high target threats. My concern there though is does the skill itself get used consistently enough to do so to justify its presence.

Thinking about it though, I think this might actually be the best skill for me for this league that I'm in :D. The majority of my remaining pairings are against teams that have already been through a previous season. A LOT of players on these teams will be incredibly foul worthy compared to my own!


One of the best use of DP is to show what happens when the opponent are NOT trying to score and instead stall for time. The offensive team will often use at least five players to protect the ball and not really even try to score. This is where gang fouling them until they understand that moving the ball is the point of the game. You will have almost your entire team against half their team, use it to foul them until they are forced to try and score and expose themselves.

Pretty much every team needs at least one DP player, weaker teams need at least two. Orcs usually do fine with one DP player.

If you play in a league where you don't see excessive use of stalling tactics you might consider not using a DP player since Orcs tend to do damage fairly well anyway.


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 Post subject: Re: Orc advice for a newb!
 Post Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 12:38 am 
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Orcs love Dirty Player. Two-pronged attack, blocking and fouling, for your removal.

CyberedElf wrote:
I have not seen fouling to be a useful strategy unless you have a bribe.
You should take a Bribe any chance you get. It makes fouling great, right from the get-go. Otherwise, you need to get a numerical advantage before you can foul.

@Pauli42, will do. I'll write up some stuff including my experience in the NBFL.

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