Starting a Chaos team (one of those threads again...)

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:25 pm

Even though I have never been succesful with Chaos teams, and have even spend entire matches without gaining a single SPP (except the MVP), the fact that I recently acquired a great old Keeper of Secrets (Greater Daemon of Slaanesh) model, has tempted me into starting a Chaos team once more. (Either in 100k league format or 110k tournament format)

As a starting team I thought about using the following line-up:

4 Chaos Warriors 400k
6 Beastmen 360k
1 Minotaur (the Daemon) 110k
1 Re-Roll 70k
6 Fan Factor 60k

This would give me a high Strength starting line up with a reasonable fan factor and all positional slots filled.
On the down side I only have 11 players one of which might be a liability (Minotaur; Wild Animal)...

Has anybody ever started a Chaos team with a similar line-up?
Has anybody started with a different line-up? (More probable)
What line-up would you use?
Would I really get into trouble with this line-up? Or would I come through (as I expect)...

R

PS I want a minotaur, not a troll or an ogre; I don't really like ogres, and trolls plus the mini has horns so I want to use the horns ability...

PS 2 For an upcoming tournament with 110k teams, I was thinking about using a similar team, but with a beastman and a reroll added, for 3 less ff (or something similar)

Blackscale · Post by **Blackscale** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:29 pm

6 fanfactor is a bit low for such an expensive team and only 1 reroll... how will you ever pick up the ball?

If you really want to start with the minotaur, take less Warriors.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:37 pm

Since rerolls cost 70,000 gps, a large cut in players will have to be made to include more of them, replacing either the mino and a chaos warrior or two chaos warrior with beastmen...

I really want those warriors and the mino to start getting SPP from day one... They need their block and other skills

R

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:44 pm

I'm sold on:

12 Beastmen
3 Rerolls
7 Fan Factor

For a league team.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 12:46 pm

Have you tried that/seen somebody try that, or is it just an untried idea...

It does sound interesting... Maybe with 1 minotaur in it instead of a beastman/reroll plus FF...
Hmmm

11 Beastmen 660k
1 minotaur 110k
3 rerolls 210k
2 FanFactor 20k

Might also be nice...

I always see highly experienced Chaos teams in leagues on league pages on the internet, rarely/never starting teams...

R

Blackscale · Post by **Blackscale** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:16 pm

Just buy the minotaur later, after your second or third game.

zeroalpha · Post by **zeroalpha** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:38 pm

if you want to keep the mino and are worried about the number on your team try starting with just 2 chaos warriors. With lots of players with horns you can always find an additional ST 4 block when you need it

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 1:50 pm

Balrog suggested an all beastman roster with high rerolls in his chaos thread/article. I really like the idea.

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:04 pm

hmm, wonder why that thread didn't turn up in any of my searches...

thanks

R

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:17 pm

the all beastman lineup has advantages, but I'd prefer to get at least one or two CW's. Minos aren't to be trusted on new teams imo. So I'd go with this:

10 Beast: 600
1 CW: 100
3RR: 210
9FF: 90

Plenty of RR, max FF, and still a respectable starting lineup. Use that CW to anchor the line and it makes all the beastmen a little beter. You should have 2 ST4 people on any given turn...the CW and whichever beastman is blitzing.

I've never used this roster, but only because I haven't made a chaos team since star players were allowed. Back then it was always better to start with Lord Borak and a bunch of beastmen. He was a ST5 CW with Leader, and other good skills (like block) who was cheaper than a CW+ RR. Can't really go wrong with that.

martynq · Post by **martynq** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:20 pm

I went with the lineup Westleytj suggests in the Lustrian Premier League. I think it is probably a decent starting lineup and its just my incompetence that stops me from doing better with it. (Oh yeah, and Phil's minotaur that rolled superbly in the previous match against me!)

Martyn

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:26 pm

I'll probably have time for some practice matches, and the first roster I'll try will be:

10 Beastmen
1 Mino
3 RR
8 FF

I know I could better take either an ogre or a CW instead of the mino, but I like the mino a lot for fluff. If he turns out to be too big a liability I'll know that after my practice matches...
I might also still consider 4 RR and 1 FF, but only if the league allows it (all high FF opponents so I'll still get cash and just hope the Kick-Off go alright)

R

wesleytj · Post by **wesleytj** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:31 pm

wow i really think youll regret that rr for ff thing...you can buy rerolls later (albeit more expensive) you can NEVER but ff again, and with todays winnings table you've GOT to have it.

i can respect the wish for the mino for fluff, if that's the way you want your team then that's fine...just don't say we didn't warn ya

chaos really are one of the tougher teams to start out with (esp since I can't do my borak trick anymore). don't go out of your way to make it harder than you have to.

btw that was also for martyn...don't feel bad about not winning a lot with young chaos teams they definitely take skill...all ag3, no skills.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 3:51 pm

For a long term league, you want lots of RR's and a high FF. One of our coaches will be trying out the roster Marcus suggested, and I like it a lot. Westley's can be modified to have a Troll instead of a Chaos Warrior if you are just interested in bashing.

11 beastmen in the LRB rules is not a bad thing. They are going to age and get niggled, but hopefully with a high FF, you are replacing them with Chaos Warriors and keeping the healthy ones. Hopefully by game 15 you've got a full roster with developed lineman.

r3 · Post by r3 » Mon Mar 03, 2003 6:22 pm

Well, on FUMBBL I started an all-beastman Chaos team, 4 RRs, 6FF, and had a solid amount of success with them. My first purchase was an Apoth, and even with the lower FF, I was able to quickly purchase a replacement Beastman and pair of Chaos Warriors (all in all, took only 5 games, one of which was conceded by elves at the half after they'd used Apoth, plus had 1 RIP & 1SI). I've been able to spread out the throwing, scoring, etc., and had at least 1 new skill after every game (somewhere around 12 games so far). Money hasn't been an issue, even though I've continued to roll 1s for FF and I think we're down to 4 or 5 now.

Now, I'm not really very good, so I've lost several games to dodgy teams with incredible luck, but in general the team has done very well and the beastmen have been developing into an effective team.

I'm really not a fan of the Minotaur/3RR/9FF idea, because the Mino can't use the RRs, and Wild Animals just plain don't belong on a starting team. I mean, sure it's nice to bash players without Block, but they'll cost you more games than they'll give you SPP early on, and when you don't get to move because your WA rolls a skull on a two-dice-opponent-chooses block, that's SPPs your Beastmen don't have a chance at.

As for RRs vs. FF in general, with Chaos teams, I'd take the early RRs over FF. When are you gonna get a spare 140k to put to another RR when the idea of getting that 3rd or 4th Chaos Warrior for only(!) 100k will seem so much more appealing.... Your FF will grow as you beat on other teams (unless you do like me and roll 1s

) , and if the other people in your league have high FFs, then let them bring the fans, and if you beat them properly, you'll take the money.