Hello Everyone !!

[Glowworm]

Hello Dr.ZooMbb. Welcome to the wonderful world of TFF where even is simple "Hello" becomes a debate on rules/skills.....

Glad to have you on board..

[Dr.ZooMbb]

Welcome to the wonderful world of TFF where even is simple "Hello" becomes a debate on rules/skills.....

That's the best part of it... I thought the game was quite dead after 20 years instead all this makes me think it's still rocking wild !!!

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Glad to have you on board..

... and Thanks !!

[Dr. Von Richten]

Well for example I can say that in long perpetual private leagues the lack of Ageing and clawpomb let Dwarfs and Orcs grow in an uncontrolled manner, removing Ageing was another bad move.
Maybe nerfing clawpomb could lead to AV 9 being too powerful, and that would simply show how badly designed are AV 9 teams such as Orcs with their underpriced Blitzers and Bobs, and Dwarfs, with their underpriced Tackle spammer Longbeards, or maybe nerfing clawpomb just a bit could improve the game greatly.
Fouling in CRP is too weak, as many coaches would tell you, while the gimpsed teams are bad design, because by taking a look at online leagues they are underrepresented, so basically they don't "exist" (they are too rare).
If a good coach wants to play with some handicaps he can simply use less rerolls, buying less positionals and make a worse roster, this can be done with each and every roster.
Joke teams should be a bit more playable, currently they are too weak, to the point that you will hardly find them.
A weak team is one thing, a nigh-on impossible to play team is another one, especially after you start to find teams with tackle and mb.
If winning with a team is too unlikely then the majority of coaches will simply avoid to play it at all.

You know what? You're very right and very wrong.

You're very right because the game is quite flawed, which hasn't got to do so much with any specific rules as it does with the fact that, when all is said and done, it's a GW game, and GW doesn't make miniatures to play it's games with, it makes games to sell it's miniatures with. That the game only uses single, double or at most triple D6's alone means there is enough wonkiness to make it a pretty bad game from a 'player skill vs player skill' point of view.

But you're also very wrong, because the game isn't meant as a pure excercise in tactics and strategy; it's meant as a fun game that you play with friends; it's as much about socialising, moving nicely painted miniatures around and laughing at all the sillyness as it is about skill and deep thinking. Which is why FUMMBL (or Cyanide) is only a very limited form of the Blood Bowl experience as it's supposed to be.

[Fassbinder75]

But you're also very wrong, because the game isn't meant as a pure excercise in tactics and strategy; it's meant as a fun game that you play with friends;

As much as I agree with your sentiment, defining 'fun' in your own terms and applying it as How Things Should Be isn't valid. If the ruleset didn't have a cogent spine that is worth taking 'seriously' no one would play it and we wouldn't be here reading and arguing.

[Dr. Von Richten]

But you're also very wrong, because the game isn't meant as a pure excercise in tactics and strategy; it's meant as a fun game that you play with friends;

As much as I agree with your sentiment, defining 'fun' in your own terms and applying it as How Things Should Be isn't valid. If the ruleset didn't have a cogent spine that is worth taking 'seriously' no one would play it and we wouldn't be here reading and arguing.

True, but my point isn't that Blood Bowl is 'just' a silly game, tactics and serious rules are indeed important. My point is that Blood Bowl by (GW) design isn't a game without significant flaws from a 'seriousness' POV, and that if you don't accept that you will most likely be unsatisfied.

A secondary point is that, because the game is still owned by GW, any possible improvements (and I totally think there are improvements possible) are stymied by the fact that the owners dont give a f*ck, and if they did, they would in all likelyhood make things worse. So you can accept the game as it is, make some houserules*, or play a better designed game. But griping about all that is wrong with Blood Bowl simply isn't getting you anywhere.


*One problem I have with houserules is that they are by defintion subjective to your local preferences, and therefore fracture yourself off of what is a very international community. Apparently the FUMMBL site owner agrees with this.

[Arclight]

Hey Dr.,

That was well said. It actually makes a lot of sense to me when you put it that way.
I'm not really adding anything to this conversation, but I read that and sat back and thought about it and said to myself,
"Yeah. Yeah, that's a fair bit of truth right there."
So thanks. That is all.

- Dan

[Dr. Von Richten]

Hey Dr.,

That was well said. It actually makes a lot of sense to me when you put it that way.
I'm not really adding anything to this conversation, but I read that and sat back and thought about it and said to myself,
"Yeah. Yeah, that's a fair bit of truth right there."
So thanks. That is all.

- Dan

You're welcome!

[Fassbinder75]

Yes that's a good point DVR, but you made your own case against house rules - and that's why people bitch. Just can't have our cake and eat it!