Bunker Bowl V - 12th + 13th March 2016 - Colchester, Essex

Wulfyn · Post by **Wulfyn** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:02 pm

Joemanji wrote: People just honestly saying they prefer rules that reward these kinds of games to playing 'optimally' or whatever you want to call it.

I think you have to define what optimally means. If it is just to win the game then absolutely the extra TD's and giving your opponent a chance by not stalling is optimal. But there are other goals that you can look towards. For example in Rugby Union they try and reward teams based on providing entertainment to spectators (important as a commercial product) and reward teams for not giving up when the result is already decided.

A system adapted such as:
Win = 4pts
Draw = 2pts
Loss = 0pts

Scoring 3 TDs = 1 bonus point
Losing by 1 TD = 1 bonus point

Could be a good mix. At 2 nil down you would still try for a bonus point. At 2 nil up you would still try for a bonus point.

I'm still unconvinced that you should get bonus points for casualties. You already get a massive boost to winning the game by causing a lot. It feels like double counting the reward.

Either way was still an excellent weekend. I am definitely fouling the shit out of puggy next time someone takes the little rat.

Joemanji · Post by **Joemanji** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 1:40 pm

Blood Bowl isn't a spectator sport (at least in this format), so not that.

In a tournament, winning takes primacy surely? This isn't school sports day where everyone is a special flower. We have hashed this out many times in the past, but secondary tallies such as casualties and even touchdowns are in no way reflective of how well you played, in fact quite the opposite. Someone who beats a new coach / stunties / gets lucky and wins 3-0 has not achieved a greater feat than someone who beats Jimjimany's Wood Elves with his Dwarfs 2-1. The mechanics of Blood Bowl and particular that match-up do not support the Dwarfs putting it in early and trying for a 3-1 win, and any pursuit of such is entirely artificial. The game is random enough without trying to glean objective truths from subjective scorelines. The pure result is as far as we can boil it down without removing all information, and so that is the baseline I have ended up using for 'optimal'.

Let's be honest, nobody is disappointed when they 'only' win 1-0, and they are disappointed when they put the ball in early and end up drawing. I appreciate your effort to play Devil's Advocate as ever, and I could copy and paste a thousand ways this discussion has been played out before. But if you are really interested we can discuss it on the way to Dungeonbowl.

Be4ch · Post by **Be4ch** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:33 pm

howlinggriffon wrote:Here's how it would have been if the tournament had been a 2/1/0 with tournament score and opponents score being the tiebreakers.

Changes would have been :

Podfrey would have come 2nd
Merrick would have been Best Comeback
Whiffing would have been last (would have given spoon to Grimthorn as Whiffing got Most Cas)

I like that one, Darren. Can we just pretend that's what happened

That's the table I'll be showing people at work when I say how well I did......

howlinggriffon · Post by **howlinggriffon** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 2:54 pm

Be4ch wrote:That's the table I'll be showing people at work when I say how well I did......

You're a braver man than me

My boss pointed and laughed when I answered his question about what I was did this weekend. I won't be telling work people about my hobby again.

Apparently people who work in IT aren't allowed to be geeks anymore? When did that happen?

J_Bone · Post by **J_Bone** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:36 pm

Be4ch wrote:I like that one, Darren. Can we just pretend that's what happened That's the table I'll be showing people at work when I say how well I did......

No. We're using the real one. The one where I finished above you.

Yours sincerely,

Your nemesis

Heff · Post by **Heff** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:38 pm

I had fun in retrospect, as is often the case. Sorry to all for providing the cabaret but particularly to my opponents who were all gentlemen and beat me fair and square despite my moaning. You all made me roll those dice, I chose to fail them.

See you next year but might stay over as five hours of driving and six games of bloodbowl left me wrung out.

hissa-lives · Post by **hissa-lives** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 3:59 pm

howlinggriffon wrote:
Be4ch wrote:That's the table I'll be showing people at work when I say how well I did......
You're a braver man than me My boss pointed and laughed when I answered his question about what I was did this weekend. I won't be telling work people about my hobby again.

Apparently people who work in IT aren't allowed to be geeks anymore? When did that happen?

Yeah pretty much always, if you're not geeky about computers or video games you get looked at funny.
People expect my place to be all high tech and home server etc. I still have old school TV and turn the broadband off every day!
Sounds like fun was had, am hoping to make one of these soon

Be4ch · Post by **Be4ch** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:04 pm

J_Bone wrote:
Be4ch wrote:I like that one, Darren. Can we just pretend that's what happened That's the table I'll be showing people at work when I say how well I did......
No. We're using the real one. The one where I finished above you.

Yours sincerely,

Your nemesis

Finished above me on points but below me on results, moral standing, dress sense, intelligence and attractiveness...........

I'll just leave this here.....

J_Bone · Post by **J_Bone** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 4:17 pm

I can wait. Luck runs out...

Be4ch · Post by **Be4ch** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:26 pm

J_Bone wrote:I can wait. Luck runs out...

Your luck runs out every time you draw me....... :twisted:

J_Bone · Post by **J_Bone** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 5:53 pm

Be4ch wrote:
J_Bone wrote:I can wait. Luck runs out...
Your luck runs out every time you draw me....... :twisted:

I think the one thing we can agree on is that we're both rubbish at smack talk.

howlinggriffon · Post by **howlinggriffon** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:09 pm

There is a certain Monkey Island quality to it.

sann0638 · Post by **sann0638** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:19 pm

I am rubber, you are glue!

20phoenix · Post by **20phoenix** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:47 pm

I think people need to understand that just because Sann is president doesn't mean they have to let him win

sann0638 · Post by **sann0638** » Mon Mar 14, 2016 6:51 pm

Just because 20phoenix starts with a 2 doesn't mean he has to come second

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