Ochil Bowl 2016 Stirling August 20th and 21st
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Re: Ochil Bowl 2016 Stirling August 20th and 21st
For anyone considering making the trip, this in an incredible venue with loads of gaming space with a café and shop on site. Delighted you've upgraded to two days Mr bigdog. A new highlight on the Scottish circuit!
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Rule pack's been updated and I've also updated the link in the main post. The new pack can be found here https://www.dropbox.com/s/4w5gr18uglm19 ... 6.pdf?dl=0Mike_Rushby wrote:Thanks for the clarification - just thought we should get it out of the way early! Might be worth updating the rules pack with it to be honest...
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Glad to hear the geordie's are planning on making the trip once again.pipey wrote:For anyone considering making the trip, this in an incredible venue with loads of gaming space with a café and shop on site. Delighted you've upgraded to two days Mr bigdog. A new highlight on the Scottish circuit!
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The rules pack has been updated with the change to star players.Garrick wrote:Good point as it is not in the CRP rules and therefore is a modification to the established competition rulesMike_Rushby wrote:Thanks for the clarification - just thought we should get it out of the way early! Might be worth updating the rules pack with it to be honest...
Is the restriction that Star Players may not take your team to over 16 players still in place or is that being modified as well?
In fact I have a list of another 100 odd modifications I would like to clarify, alternatively we could just stick with the rules as they are and stop messing around with them? Just an idea!
Oh and whilst I am in rant mode, it is a delight to see that the "2 Doubles and no more that 2 of" additional skill set has been retained in spite of a lengthy conversation last year about why it benefits the two strongest races to the detriment of all the rest, discourages diversity and encourages power gaming.
As for the configuration of the skills, I discussed your suggestions with a number of other players last year and most people were happy for it to stay as it is. Having different tournaments with different set ups encourages diversity in itself by keeping events different.
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Yep, I'm very hopeful I'll be there. Might entice one or two other Geordies to join. Watch this space!Big Dog wrote:Glad to hear the geordie's are planning on making the trip once again.pipey wrote:For anyone considering making the trip, this in an incredible venue with loads of gaming space with a café and shop on site. Delighted you've upgraded to two days Mr bigdog. A new highlight on the Scottish circuit!
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Couldn't agree with you more which is why it is a shame that 50% of Scottish tournaments last year and 50% of Scottish tournaments this year have chosen the "2 Doubles and no more that 2 of" additional skill set. So this skill set not only discourages diversity in race choice but also seriously limits diversity in Scottish tournaments.Big Dog wrote:As for the configuration of the skills, I discussed your suggestions with a number of other players last year and most people were happy for it to stay as it is. Having different tournaments with different set ups encourages diversity in itself by keeping events different.Garrick wrote:Oh and whilst I am in rant mode, it is a delight to see that the "2 Doubles and no more that 2 of" additional skill set has been retained in spite of a lengthy conversation last year about why it benefits the two strongest races to the detriment of all the rest, discourages diversity and encourages power gaming.
For those who don't understand why I feel so strongly about this: Above and beyond the lack of variety, this skill set benefits the two strongest races in Blood Bowl (Wood Elf and Undead) over all the other races. The no more than 2 of a skill particularly benefits Wood Elves as they already have a variety of skills whilst many other teams would benefit from "spamming" skills (Norse, Amazon, Human, Orc, Dark Elf etc.). The 2 Doubles degrades the finally balanced diversity of the different races and particularly benefits Undead, the only tier 1 team with two big guys who already don't have Loner and can now both have Block.
Is it any surprise that the last tournament in Scotland was Wood Elf 1st, 2nd and 3rd with the exact same skill set?
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That may be the case but in the last two years at Ochilbowl there's been no Wood Elf players in the top 3 and only one Undead. We've had Dwarfs, Undead, Dark Elf in 2015 and Dark Elf, Norse, Dwarfs in 2014.Garrick wrote:Couldn't agree with you more which is why it is a shame that 50% of Scottish tournaments last year and 50% of Scottish tournaments this year have chosen the "2 Doubles and no more that 2 of" additional skill set. So this skill set not only discourages diversity in race choice but also seriously limits diversity in Scottish tournaments.Big Dog wrote:As for the configuration of the skills, I discussed your suggestions with a number of other players last year and most people were happy for it to stay as it is. Having different tournaments with different set ups encourages diversity in itself by keeping events different.Garrick wrote:Oh and whilst I am in rant mode, it is a delight to see that the "2 Doubles and no more that 2 of" additional skill set has been retained in spite of a lengthy conversation last year about why it benefits the two strongest races to the detriment of all the rest, discourages diversity and encourages power gaming.
For those who don't understand why I feel so strongly about this: Above and beyond the lack of variety, this skill set benefits the two strongest races in Blood Bowl (Wood Elf and Undead) over all the other races. The no more than 2 of a skill particularly benefits Wood Elves as they already have a variety of skills whilst many other teams would benefit from "spamming" skills (Norse, Amazon, Human, Orc, Dark Elf etc.). The 2 Doubles degrades the finally balanced diversity of the different races and particularly benefits Undead, the only tier 1 team with two big guys who already don't have Loner and can now both have Block.
Is it any surprise that the last tournament in Scotland was Wood Elf 1st, 2nd and 3rd with the exact same skill set?
You're definitely entitled to your views on the pack but it will not be changing this year. If after the tournament there is a lot of feedback that the way skills are selected should change then we will look at it for the future. The change to two days was based off of player feedback so there's nothing to say that the pack itself can't change as well if we get feedback from a number of players that it should.
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With the deepest respect I challenge both of your points:Big Dog wrote:That may be the case but in the last two years at Ochilbowl there's been no Wood Elf players in the top 3 and only one Undead. We've had Dwarfs, Undead, Dark Elf in 2015 and Dark Elf, Norse, Dwarfs in 2014.
You're definitely entitled to your views on the pack but it will not be changing this year. If after the tournament there is a lot of feedback that the way skills are selected should change then we will look at it for the future. The change to two days was based off of player feedback so there's nothing to say that the pack itself can't change as well if we get feedback from a number of players that it should.
- In 2015 3 out of the top 6 were either Wood Elf or Undead and the top 3 Scots played Dark Elf, Wood Elf, Wood Elf. In 2013 it was won by Wood Elf.
The pack has changed with the added "must have 11 players before hiring Star Players modification" which means I will not be able to take the Dark Elf roster I came third with last year.
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Here is an even longer debate on the same subject: http://talkfantasyfootball.org/viewtopi ... 18&start=0
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We sold our first ticket at Carronade, tickets are available now by sending £25 to stirlinggamers@gmail.com via PayPal or in person on a Thursday night at the club.
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This tournament has now been submitted to the NAF site for approval!
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I am really looking forward to this
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Tournament Approved!
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Paid!
Bring on the doubles... and the Chinese buffet
Bring on the doubles... and the Chinese buffet
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Payment Received , I'll add you to the entrants list.pipey wrote:Paid!
Bring on the doubles... and the Chinese buffet
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