PBEM Tournament

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue May 27, 2003 6:40 am

Anyone thought of doing this?
An NAF sanctioned TBB invitational or something?
Just a thought.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue May 27, 2003 12:11 pm

If it uses Javabowl or BBirc, i'm in. PBeM, i'm out.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue May 27, 2003 7:11 pm

If it's NAF sanctioned it has to be PBeM I think. Not sure. I don't think I would be comfortable playing with the other systems anyway. Since I'm not sure if they are as cheat proof as PBeM is.

I was thinking that it could be run at a certain time, just like a normal tourney. As long as each coach used the same instant messenger they could talk while they kicked the file back and forth. I know time zone restrictions would make it difficult for a west coast American to play an East German but we would also have more time than a normal tourney. The tournament round could start at 12:00 am GMT on a Saturday and run til 11:59 pm. And if you are kicking the file back and forth through an IM program then it shouldn't take more than a couple hours to play a match even with OT.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue May 27, 2003 7:12 pm

i'm not satisfied any of them are cheat proof

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Tue May 27, 2003 7:22 pm

Grumbledook wrote:i'm not satisfied any of them are cheat proof

I'm satisfied that the PBeM tool is cheat proof enough if you set up the rules in advance that only one computer could be used by each player for the tournament (and no computers on revolving networks).

I know of 2 small holes in the PBeM cheat protection, but we are talking about some serious effort needed to cheat, and you'll never be able to assure the rolls you want.

Galak

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue May 27, 2003 7:46 pm

And I think that if it was the type or setting I'm talking about (Chatting and IMing while you play) it would be obvious when a person took 45 minutes on a 3 move turn that funny business was going on.

I think in that typpe of situation you could apply a 10 or 15 minute time limit to the turns.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Tue May 27, 2003 8:00 pm

I'd happily take part in something like this..NAF sanctioning may be a different matter though...but we could easily run a TBB Open or something...
And DL's right, Pbem's plenty fast enough if you're both online at once...y'know I never thought about using IM and chatting as well as using it to zap the file over.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue May 27, 2003 8:06 pm

My brother in law and I did it for the REBBL once and when I was teaching him the tool. It's pretty nice because you can avoid the PBeM problems...like leaving a dead player's square open in case the apothecary works, or the side step stuff, and all that diving tackle business, etc.

tchatter · Post by **tchatter** » Tue May 27, 2003 8:27 pm

Yeah, my brother and I do this every so often, it is much faster, you can get a game in quickly.

Maybe we should run a TBB Open tournament as a 'test' to prove to the NAF that it can be done?

I would volunteer to run it, but I honestly don't have the time...

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Tue May 27, 2003 8:49 pm

I'd volunteer but I haven't sent them my $10 yet.

I could try to set something up but it may be easier for somebody who is already a commisioner and involved in the NAF...(cough...cough)Galak(cough...cough)

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Tue May 27, 2003 10:27 pm

Its the time ... I just don't have it right now. Talk to me after GenCon when I have time to think about it.

Galak

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Tue May 27, 2003 11:46 pm

You can't cheat with Javabowl or BBirc anymore than you can IRL, because your opponent witnesses your die rolls.

Blood Bowl was made to be played real time, with your opponent sitting in front of you. Javabowl and BBirc are the two closest things we have available, and PBeM is nowhere near them in that department.

lawquoter · Post by **lawquoter** » Tue May 27, 2003 11:58 pm

yeah, but for those of us that can't spare the time for javabowl, or table-top, PBeM is a perfect way to play. It's not the same, but it allows us access.

I'd be interested, depending on the timing of the rounds, and when it would begin.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Wed May 28, 2003 12:10 am

Well, if games are gonna take a whole day each as suggested, i don't see how time is a problem. Javabowl takes about 1 hour to 1½ hour to play, or so i've been told.

Dark Lord (retired) · Wed May 28, 2003 12:37 am

I don't know much about javabowl but AFAIK it's not complete and so, I doubt it's anywhere near as cheat proof as PBeM. And as the REBBL Challenge League found out, thanks to the PBeM software, there are a lot out there.

As for other reasons:

The NAF has said it will allow NAF members to compete over PBeM in some circumstances and that is what I'm pushing for. An NAF sanctioned tournament. If you want in you'll need to join.

I like PBeM and it's the topic of this thread. Please stop hijacking my thread. If you want to play a javabowl tournamnet than go start a new thread.