Changes you would make to the amazons

[inkpwn]

After reading through burgun824's thread on removing a team from the game a lot of people have pointed to amazons. Which just seem to be a bit unbalanced and simple in tournement play. What changes need to be made?
Here is my idea for a more 'norse' style team.

0-16 linewomen 6,3,3,7 dodge G- APS 50k

0-4 catchers 7,3,3,7 dodge catch PA-GS 70k

0-4 blitzers 7,3,3,7 block,thick skull GS,PA 90k

Re-rolls 60k

Maybe a big guy?
0-1 Kong 5,5,2,8. Mighty blow,thick skull,wild animal 110k

[voyagers_uk]

make the catchers ST2 and give them Diving catch for a 10K reduction

[Darkson]

Catchers get Pass access - is that right?

[voyagers_uk]

tbh if that is the case lose the throwers and have 4 catcher/runners

[inkpwn]

Good idea. Done.

[mubo]

I think the problem with AG3 catchers is that optimal play won't involve using them as catchers. This also applies to throwers. This is why the redesign on the Norse team was so good, and maybe at least part of the reason why 'zons and humans are the teams most people want rejigged.

Zon catchers are useful firstly as players to give sidestep to, and secondly to receive a hand off if things get sticky.

Not every team needs/should have a big guy either.

[inkpwn]

True, a lot of teams don't need a big guy. Zons didn't when they had blodgers, but for this redesign and without high speed or AG they may left standing and vunerable.

[mattgslater]

I've changed my impressions on Amazons entirely. I used to agree that the ubiquitous Hobgoblin statline was dumb, but now I think it adds a clean simplicity to the team's structure and design. Now, I quite like the balance of players an Amazon team provides, and I find the challenge of all-Hob statlines to be thrilling, even with that horrific spam Dodge advantage. I think the Amazon players should be left as-is, or maybe the Catchers should be made a little bit more Catchery by giving them Sure Feet at 80k or MA7 or Nerves of Steel at 90k. I like the MA7 idea the best of those, as it's less description space. It wouldn't change much, frankly.

[Kort]

My take:

0-16 Linewomen 6337 Fend GA/SP 50k
0-2 Catchers 8237 Block, Dodge, Diving Catch GA/SP 70k
0-2 Throwers 6338 Pass, Sure Feet GP/S 70k
0-4 Blitzers 7338 Wrestle, Side Step GS/PA 90k

The goal is to make the team less depend on Dodge and more resilient on the long run. Also, I think it is a perfect opportunity to give them original starting skills.

Linewomen lose Dodge and gain Fend, but gain access to AG skills. If they survive, they will be more flexible than Human and Norse Linemen.
Catchers get Human-like statistics but become natural Blodgers. Diving Catch is a freebie.
Throwers get an AV increase but get Sure Feet instead of Dodge. I am tempted to give them AG skill access as well.
Blitzers receive a massive stat increase, lose their Blodge and get 2 good skills instead.

The roster looks like an alternative Human so I am sure it can be improved a lot. Still, I would be ok with having Amazons as a more AG oriented version of a Human team.

[Greyhound]

I like Fend and wrestle on the starting roster, I'm surprised these skills are not used more often on level 1 players.

Kong is a good fun idea but you could make more interesting and different from Oberon big guys. Maybe Grab?

[Kort]

I like Fend and wrestle on the starting roster, I'm surprised these skills are not used more often on level 1 players.

I should have given credit to DoubleSkulls for that idea. You should have a look at his take as well: http://slobb.doubleskulls.net/race_view ... race_id=55

[plasmoid]

I'd make the catchers a little more catch-ey. 7237 dodge, catch, diving catch?
Not much else.

[UncleBob]

Concerning Amazones my first inclination is to give the Catchers Ag 4 and increase their costs. Ma 6 and Ag 4, I sort of like that. Perhaps St 2 if it's too cheesy.

[Harry Buddha Palm]

What about this:

0-16 Linewomen 6337 Dodge G ASP
0-4 Blitzers 7337 Block, Dodge GS AP
0-4 Runners 7247 Dodge, Fend GA SP

Make them more like a slower Skaven team with better defense.

[lesya]

What about this:

0-16 Linewomen 6337 Dodge G ASP
0-4 Blitzers 7337 Block, Dodge GS AP
0-4 Runners 7247 Dodge, Fend GA SP

Make them more like a slower Skaven team with better defense.

in original amazon in tourney is tier 1, this team is tier 0...