Concerns

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:42 pm

I would still like to see national captains selected, and their results must count at the end? Just a little quirk

Panico · Post by **Panico** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:45 pm

Thorichally is acceptable.

But how can we be sure that 8 races will be represented for every nation? I mean, if 100 coaches attend from UK, it could be.

But I can assure that if 15/20 will attend from Italy, we will have a lot of repetition (4 dwarves, 4 norse, 4 undead, etc...) and probably don't reach 8 races.

People who come for winning, will want to be there with a "competitive" race.

Just as a thought, what about considering the average score of country coaches per race?

(as I told somewhere, the "individual-results-counts-for-country" option is good, but difficult to handle)

Lycos · Post by **Lycos** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:48 pm

Panico wrote:But how can we be sure that 8 races will be represented for every nation? I mean, if 100 coaches attend from UK, it could be.

But I can assure that if 15/20 will attend from Italy, we will have a lot of repetition (4 dwarves, 4 norse, 4 undead, etc...) and probably don't reach 8 races.

In UK we use the term "being savvy" so in other words, just agree between what you think are the best say 10 coaches to take 10 different races... it wont answer it completely but it will give you a basis to work from.

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:51 pm

That's what I meant, top 8 coaches with different races - otherwise everyone in Spain would use Undead

This way it's taking elements that work from EB (the team things, the rivallry, the getting behind of your team) and adding it to something we know works, namely a massive tourney

Not only does limiting it to best result per race mean everyone can play, it also means if someone takes a less common team then does well they have a better chance of

There is no reason why we can't run side competitions off it too, such as see which nation is the best Undead, best Pro Elf etc. which would also encourage coaches bringing along slightly more unusual teams. So if they bring their best team and fail to qualify for the top 8 at least then they can help spain with "Best Undead Nation" for example. I think that needs working on, but the more competitions we have, the more people can win stuff, the more they are involved and the happier people are.

We could even do a league challenge cup, where local leagues could nominate a best 5 players or something and then the best league. But I'm getting a bit off topic now. Might start a new thread for "additional competitions at the World Cup"...

Pipey · Post by **Pipey** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:58 pm

Just like to agree with what Lucifer said. Pretty much my thoughts from the other post.

Invite international coaches to attend Eurobowl 2007 as guests by way of a pilot. See how that goes. If it's a success, then give the WC a go in 2008.

Indigo · Post by **Indigo** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:03 pm

Interesting idea but that means North American and Oz coaches forking out for two intercontinental plane tickets in two years...

Hangus · Post by **Hangus** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:06 pm

Indigo wrote:Interesting idea but that means North American and Oz coaches forking out for two intercontinental plane tickets in two years...

agreed you i think its time to bite the bullet, say its happening and see what comes about.

I feel if it gets put back a year then it will feel its not going to happen.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 5:25 pm

Hangus wrote:
Indigo wrote:Interesting idea but that means North American and Oz coaches forking out for two intercontinental plane tickets in two years...
agreed you i think its time to bite the bullet, say its happening and see what comes about.

I feel if it gets put back a year then it will feel its not going to happen.

And seeing as it's been announced to the GW wargaming population at large, via White Dwarf, it would look bad on the NAF if they then turned round and said "sorry, because we're to indecisive to make up our minds on the tourney, we've decided to cancel".

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 6:42 pm

Panico ... the answer to your question is that it means that countries will STILL be encouraged to form a CORE team of 8 to 10 coaches each bringing a different agreed upon race.

If more coaches show up for that country then they still fit in ... but the idea from EB of having planned teams is still then vital.

Galak

Post by **Dave** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:30 pm

I like this idea but I still see 'bears on the road' concerning team size IF the tournament is run in Swiss

Say - team Holland brings in 10 coaches, finishing 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and so on with different races. That means some players will have perfomed well, some average and some bad.

Team England brings in 40 coaches, finishing 1,2,8,9, 11, 12, 18, 19 and so on, thus finishing an equally spread out over the entire table BUT with the top 8 players in the top 20.

I agree that the bad players will give the other country's players more points, but the better players of those other countries will never meet them as you can expect them to be in the upper rankings already.

I think it's a nice idea but will favour the countries with many coaches, and unless that can't be solved I'm afraid it won't work. Is it possible to get some results out off the past BB's rankings? Or the Dutch Open for example.

Kheldar · Post by **Kheldar** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:31 pm

I like this very much. The small countries have still likely less chances of winning, but they dont have to play against squads with 4 very good undead 2 very good dwarf and Norseplayers.

I think this is an idea, that could work.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 8:53 pm

i imagine that a lot of those higher placed will be using the same race

be interesting to see how it compares with tournaments already gone

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:28 pm

Dave wrote:Say - team Holland brings in 10 coaches, finishing 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 and so on with different races. That means some players will have perfomed well, some average and some bad.

Team England brings in 40 coaches, finishing 1,2,8,9, 11, 12, 18, 19 and so on, thus finishing an equally spread out over the entire table BUT with the top 8 players in the top 20.

My problem is that I just don't see this happening. In order for this to happen you have to believe that the players willing to pay to come to the UK are "average" players. Which isn't going to be that true. Most folks don't pay that much cash to lose. So I'd argue that you have an equal effect.

Lower Cost might allow the UK to bring more players but I don't think you get nearly the qualtity that you'll get from the other countries bring theirs.

The performance at the Chaos Cup and the GenCon Bowl when folks have flown over to play definitely show this to be the case.

Galak

dwarfcoach · Post by **dwarfcoach** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 10:44 pm

Yep, the Blood Bowl has has it's fair share of 'continental coaches' up in the final and top 10-20 of each and every one...

Bevan · Post by **Bevan** » Mon Nov 20, 2006 11:17 pm

GalakStarscraper wrote:My problem is that I just don't see this happening. In order for this to happen you have to believe that the players willing to pay to come to the UK are "average" players. Which isn't going to be that true. Most folks don't pay that much cash to lose. So I'd argue that you have an equal effect.

Lower Cost might allow the UK to bring more players but I don't think you get nearly the qualtity that you'll get from the other countries bring theirs.

It's true that really weak coaches won't travel that far, but quite of few of the really good coaches can't afford to travel, while those with the time, money and enthusiasm are not necessarily much above average. Whereas all the best English coaches will be able to be there. Also the game does involve some chance so the more coaches from any country the more chance that 8 of them will be in the top group.

I'd still like to see as many people as possible have a chance to be involved, but I'd prefer that to be by having more teams rather than shunting the extras off to side events. Alternatively the top 8 national teams could be selected from an individual event, but play at least 3 games as full teams for the country title.