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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:29 pm 
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I'm not gonna go and start arguing as, in many threads, I've seen it being pointless as anyone, including me, holds on to his or her opinion.

koadah wrote:
You don't need a 300 page rulebook. Where did you get that from? People would just the CRP and the Cyanide differences from CRP.
You did read the part in brackets, didn't you?
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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:15 pm 
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It's not exciting: http://www.bloodbowl-game.com/files/RulebookBB2.pdf

Bit like this, but worse, in my (biased) opinion: http://www.thenaf.net/?p=2965

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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 3:28 pm 
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BB2 Rukebook wrote:
Sponsors
Each team can have a contract with one sponsor. It has no effect for the moment.
We can’t say more on this for now.
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That says it all...
This game has been sold before it was finished.
Will it ever be finished?
BB2 Rukebook wrote:
We can’t say more on this for now.

I'm not even starting on "mandatory skills"...


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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2015 8:40 pm 
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So the title is
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Blood Bowl 2 Rulebook v1.8.0.7
New features and balancing
which is basically just a list of changes. Some of them are wrong (it lists BT as mandatory, but it actually only gets used if it would make a difference, so a rerolled dodge can still use BT), some are poorly explained (Orcs were nerfed because they are "top tier" - who knew!? And yet Woodies remain untouched...), some are simply nonsensical (their bank rule, which allows a team with cash to simply buy more on-pitch TV than a team without it), and some are pointless (you can't hire skilled mercs).

All in all it's a list of failings in a poorly designed and under-budgeted game which should, imo, have precisely no effect on anyone else at all.

Oh, and it's out of date already as they are on v1.8.0.20


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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:57 am 
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Well I found it positive that they've clearly marked it for BB2. This suggests they're not trying to change BB and the way people play it outside of Cyanide and it's just changes for their game.

Any reason why they want to nerf Mercs?! If anything, I'd like to see them become more interesting.


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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:06 am 
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Any reason why they want to nerf Mercs?! If anything, I'd like to see them become more interesting.
Incompetence.


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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:18 am 
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Well.....................they must be getting feedback from somewhere.............it just strikes me that they saw one game where a merc was a game changer and decided on that. I really can't see anything broken about them at all. If anything I'd like to see the ability to take a merc from a limited amount of different rosters.


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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 1:36 am 
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They ignore feedback. Ask anyone who was in the closed beta.


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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:09 am 
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I found their operating procedures manual:
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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:16 am 
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That is a time-honored development strategy! :D

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dode74 wrote:
I found their operating procedures manual:

So true.... :)

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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 9:40 am 
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Sigh...

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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2015 2:53 pm 
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Well, Cyanide skipped step 1. And they don't really promote or talk at all, so step 2 is no more than releasing a game. And they never talk to the community, so steps 4 and 5 ar a wash. So really, their strategy is release the game,ignore the furor and collect the monies, wait for step 6 to happen and then release a repackaged version of the same steaming pile as before.

Maybe Cyanide are smarter than we give them credit for, that is damn efficient. Why waste resources on appeasing the masses who will blindly buy your product regardless.


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 Post Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:21 am 
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WhatBall wrote:
Why waste resources on appeasing the masses who will blindly buy your product regardless.


GW mentoring Cyanide/Focus is clearly paying dividends.

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 Post subject: Re: NAF response to possible BB2 rule changes
 Post Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 6:34 am 
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Fassbinder75 wrote:
GW mentoring Cyanide/Focus is clearly paying dividends.
I think, this is rather a sign of the times.

Why on earth do people spend the night in front of an apple store, just so they can be the first to purchase a new phone for a lot of money, that is very similar or almost identical to the phone they already have in their pockets?
Why are people willing to pay for Games that are sold in slices called DLC?
Look at Kickstarter! People are throwing money at projects, buying products that not even exist yet, ignoring the fact that maybe they never will exist.

We have been educated to act like this.
The older generation mostly shaking their heads in disbelieve and the younger fully embracing the industries religion.
Only buying makes you happy, only property is worth persuing.

I don't no when this happened, but it's in the US as well as it is in Europe.
And, let's face it, as long as people don't stop throwing money at them, they won't change it.
In a german BB forum, people have written how disappointed they were when the so called Beta started in one thread, while the list of people who bought the game in another thread got longer and longer. Why do people buy stuff when other people tell them it's crap? I don't get it.
Fandom may be a reason to buy everything that has the label on it but how many fanatics are there?

I think this behaviour is now part of our society and we will never get away from it again.
But then, I'm scared about what Facebook, WhatsApp and other social media or doing as well as Google, Windows 10 and what not.
Maybe it's just me...


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