Tweaking 7s

[Wobert]

It does recommend that Pro and Leader aren't allowed.

No it doesn't. Only Leader is mentioned.

Shrugs.

It's just Leader, I lounge on the sofa corrected. I still think it should be amended for consistency

[Gaixo]

Then you're probably glad that this thread is primarily concerned with plans to amend it.

[Wobert]

Yes - and reading my reply back above it comes across far more arsey than I meant it to!

I am all for the NAF carrying out their review. As the variants become more popular the review will be well timed. I have tripped over on a few of these rulings of late. This isn't a complaint, post the review and newer, clearer guidelines it will make Goo's life easier. He won't have to send me any more emails saying 'Sorry but no'. I paraphrase somewhat there. I don't deliberately try and break the rules and this will make it easier for me to avoid doing it!

[sann0638]

Best not to print the rules at all, I find...

[Darkson]

Ban Kick-Off Return. (Especially on Skaven and Wood Elves)


Something that came up yesterday. The Caterham crew were using the 7s do from the NAF site, which caused a little confusion on the KO table*, as the Albion 7s used Brilliant Coaching/Cheering Fans 'as per BB rules', whereas the NAF doc says if both players tie neither player gets it.

Is this a recent change or something that was just missed?
Just curious, in case the 'Albion presents ARBBL 7s' happens next year.


* Didn't cause an issue as thankfully I'd accidentally printed a load of AC7s rules packs the night before.

[Darkson]

Oh, and the Riot result on the NAF KO table says 'Turn 7', but there are only 6 turns.

[Edit] Of course, this was mentioned in the OP, but I'll leave this here as a gentle reminder.

[Purplegoo]

Nothing has been changed of late, and yep (kick-off table), that’s on the list for the review.

[lunchmoney]

Re the KickOff Return, I played the two Skaven coaches who used it to one turn score - both drawn matches. I didn't use it and didn't miss it or lose a match.
It's an interesting meta decision, but not broken.

[Digger Goreman]

KoR really helps with kicks that land in the middle zone and, yes, favors any fast team. Broken? Not sure....

[Jip]

...whereas the NAF doc says if both players tie neither player gets it.

I can't remember if it's come up as a kick-off result at any of Wobert's tournaments I've played in so far, but I've definitely been playing this wrong as I'd just assumed a draw worked the same as 'proper' Blood Bowl, d'oh.

KoR really helps with kicks that land in the middle zone and, yes, favors any fast team. Broken? Not sure....

I would never have even contemplated how Kick-Off Return can be abused in 7s! You're right though, its efficacy is pretty dependent on the placement and scatter, so I wouldn't be too scared of it - but at least now I'm aware of it!

As for whether Kick-Off Return should be outright banned, I don't think so. Pro and Leader are the only ones that seem to defeat the point (and the fluff, in the case of Pro - they're literally amateurs!) of how much effort the 7s rules pack goes to, to limit re-rolls.

[Jip]

...whereas the NAF doc says if both players tie neither player gets it.

I can't remember if it's come up as a kick-off result at any of Wobert's tournaments I've played in so far, but I've definitely been playing this wrong as I'd just assumed a draw worked the same as 'proper' Blood Bowl, d'oh.

KoR really helps with kicks that land in the middle zone and, yes, favors any fast team. Broken? Not sure....

I would never have even contemplated how Kick-Off Return can be abused in 7s! You're right though, its efficacy is pretty dependent on the placement and scatter, so I wouldn't be too scared of it - but at least now I'm aware of it!

As for whether Kick-Off Return should be outright banned, I don't think so. Pro and Leader are the only ones that seem to defeat the point (and the fluff, in the case of Pro - they're literally amateurs!) of how much effort the 7s rules pack goes to, to limit re-rolls.

Re the KickOff Return, I played the two Skaven coaches who used it to one turn score

I'm assuming it was being taken on a Gutter Runner? Seems even more of a sink using a double skill to get it...


Edit: just had a look at the Albion Coast Sevens rules pack - it must have been on a Thrower, which is even more impressive!

[lunchmoney]

KOR on a Gutter runner.
Place GR one square back from the LOS.
Kick ball and scatter.
As long as the ball is still on the pitch, move GR 3 squares forward, into no mans land.
Pick up ball and hand off to GR.
Run GR and make what ever dodges and 2 GFIs to score.

[lunchmoney]

KOR does not stipulate that the player has to move towards the ball, just not be on the LOS and cannot move into the opponent half.

[Don__Vito]

Probably just needs clarifying that you can’t cross your own line of scrimmage as opposed to ‘into the opponents half’. One turn scoring in sevens that easily seems a touch broken.

[lunchmoney]

Probably just needs clarifying that you can’t cross your own line of scrimmage as opposed to ‘into the opponents half’. One turn scoring in sevens that easily seems a touch broken.

That was my thinking.