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I feel annoyed by the new WA failure range of 1-3 on a D6 andconsider it an ill design somehow.

How many of you have houseruled the new WA? I mean, not completely new concepts but tweaked the neccessary rolls.

I was thinking of Block without roll and everything else (incl. Blitz) with a 3+,
or everything (incl. block/blitz) on a 3+,
or Blitz free but everything else (incl. Block) on a 3+ etc.

we're just sticking with the old one

I have house ruled out all the nega-traits. They're just not necessary in my league.

Suggested re-vision which Chet proposed on bloodbowl.net and I'm all in favor of:

2+ for WA to block, blitz, foul
4+ for WA to move, handoff, or pass

Rule change to go along with it ... going from stunned to prone is allowed without using an action (ie no nega trait rolls).

I'm currently hoping both of these items will be in the playtest vault soon after it goes live.

Galak

That seems most reasonable to me.

At least it does not make you pay $ for the wasted Mino's Horns and the Rat Ogre's MA and AG as it's under the current WA.

I'm in favour of that because it also brings the WA in line with Bonehead and Really Stupid, as I proposed earlier in a post when I suggested all Negatraits to become ?+ rolls for specific actions.

that should work fine! why not just vote now to change it....it really is messed up at the moment. This was a mistake anyway. If I remember the original rules review was that they would put the rules out in october/november then make official in February. We know bone head/really stupid work pretty good so just make the change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am in full support of this proposed idea.

98% for me.

According to what Galak says is proposed, the new WA would be worse than bonehead but not quite as bad as really stupid. My question is, when BGs are priced, are certain negatraits worth more of a discount than others? If so, then WA should give a greater discount than Bonehead, but not as much as Really Stupid.

MadLordAnarchy wrote:I have house ruled out all the nega-traits. They're just not necessary in my league.

Best solution I've heard so far.

If they insist on using negas I'd say Block/Blitz/roll over: no roll.
If not, the revised BBRC version mentioned by Galak would be tolerable. The last 2 versions were crap.

I wouldn't mind a return to the rule that allowed Big Guys to remove the nega-trait on a doubles roll, but maybe that's just me.

B

gken1 wrote:so just make the change!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bad precedent if we do that Ken.

Listen I don't like WA anymore than you and it was voted on before I joined the BBRC. But it WAS voted on by them ... it wasn't just a printing mistake like the less than 3 = win posting was. (By the way, we've begged Jake to show the LRB 3.0 to use before it goes live (something that's never happened with any of the material Andy has posted) and he's at this pointed agreed to do that ... should help avoid typos).

Anyway, the cycle is the BBRC makes rule changes only once a year. They've not broken this rule in the past, and I'm loath to suggest making an exception. With this community one exception would become the world's fastest slippery slope.

So just keep telling yourself ... 9 to 10 more months before it fixed and you'll be okay. (yes I know that sucks as an answer, but I think it really is for the best of the game overall).

Galak

I agree with you Galak. Make one exception and everyone will use it to justify future changes. Just keep doing like you have been, and let us know what the BBRC has on the table as possible fixes. That allows a lot of us small leagues that change things through the course of our seasons to test these rules and give a small amount of feedback. I'm just glad to see everyone working to fix the small things, like WA. I think paying attention to all the details will help improve and make BB the best game out there.

Galak - you are absolutely right. Stick to your guns on this one.

If you don't like it - well house rule it away.

Change Wild Animal to COFAB

No really, i think that'd work nicely.. Personally I'd either have this change or remove all negatraits from big guys and simply double the cost of them.

@ Galak, I like your proposed change but remember Hand-Off is also an action. You know just to save on clarifications later.

Furelli.

yeah but I thought the way the original BBRC was to work was the rules come out in october get playtested until Jan/Feb the implemented fully into LRB. I thought this was to prevent anything like 4th edition from happening again. I think we have forgotten that. So Technically we are still in the grace period.

Ken