Gnoll Team and new Trait idea

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 2:06 pm

Rune wrote:When I first heard of Phil's plans to make a gnoll team last year, I just had to make up some blood bowl rules for them. Guess this is a good spot to post them. I went with how Phil made them in Elfball: A bit faster than humans, but less skilled.
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Gnoll Teams                        
                        
Position    Qty   MA  ST  AG  AV   Skills                 Skill Access   Cost
Linegnolls  0-12  7   3   2   8                           Gen            50k
Blockers    0-4   6   3   2   9    Block                  Gen, Str       70k
Blitzers    0-2   7   3   3   8    Block                  Gen, Str       90k
Runners     0-2   8   3   3   8    Sure Hands, Sure Feet  Gen, Ag        90k
                        
Rerolls: 60k                                               
I am a bit afraid that they're too powerful, but I'm not sure.

Any comments?

That runner would frighten the Crap out of me. I think the Sure feet has got to go and still be left at 90k

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 3:38 pm

Movement 7 with armour 8 for a linemen is way too powerful for 50k, the fast moving teams all have mv7 av7, in fact most fast moving teams have a lot lower av

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:00 pm

Sorry, don't like the dirty player version. Since GWs efforts with Norse/Amazons I'm a little tired of the rather lazy roster building idea of giving everyone one specific skill - common to the whole team.

Possibly the best way to come up for a new idea for a team is to remove one aspect from common gameplay. Teams are defined by their weaknesses. Pick a weakness for the team and then build around it. Lack of passing ability has been done, strength skills, armour, etc. All the common ones have gone. Lizardmen made it interesting by removing the middle ground from a team as a weakness.

OK - lets look at some Gnolly things: You've got pack-style animals. Pagans, moon-howling, frenzying, hatred of giants. There's some ideas there.

How about all having all gnoll linemen with ST2 and Dauntless? 4 Druids with Guard to stimulate the pack aspect, Make them your ballcarriers to make for a different playing style to other teams. Blitzer/Warrior types with Frenzy complete the pack.

I'd give them cheap rerolls. Partly because they lack in other areas, partly to represent the discipline of a hunting pack.

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0-12 Pack Gnolls    7 2 3 8  Dauntless  Gen
0-4  Gnoll Shamen   6 3 3 8  Guard, Sure Hands   Gen, Pass
0-2  Gnoll Hunters  7 3 3 8  Frenzy, Claw  Gen, St

RR:  50k

What you end up with is an interesting blend of hitting power combined with lack of resilience.

Just throwing that into the mix....

Relborn · Post by **Relborn** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 4:18 pm

Sorry Marcus, don't view this as back-critizising.

You seem to really like Fantasy style teams (like the dwarves, High Elves ...). The way you created your Gnoll Version, fits very well ... IF you like this way of viewing Bloodbowl teams.

Personally I would prefer an "Footballish" Version of an Gnoll team. Try one and maybe we get on a same level ...

MikeWyant · Post by **MikeWyant** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 5:04 pm

Position Qty MA ST AG AV Skills Skill Access Cost
Linegnolls 0-12 7 3 2 8 Gen 60k
Blockers 0-4 6 3 2 9 Block Gen, Str 70k
Blitzers 0-2 7 3 3 8 Block Gen, Str 90k
Runners 0-2 7 3 3 8 Sure Hands, Sprint Gen, Ag 90k

Rerolls: 60k

How about this?
A simple 10K Price increrace for the Linegnolls and a 1 pt move reduction and Sprint instead of Sure feet for the Runners. this way they are potentially fast, but it is risky which is kinda gnollish.
One other possibility is to give Str access instead of Ag to the runners, also more Gnollish and making the Surefooted runner rare.

Post by **Dave** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 10:37 pm

Something that just hit my eye (autch!!)

Why give all these players acces to general skills??

Make the blockers and blitsers Str only, and make RR more expensive.

I like Marcus' idea. It's rather different and different is usually nice.

Rune · Post by **Rune** » Mon Jan 13, 2003 11:20 pm

MikeWyant wrote:Position Qty MA ST AG AV Skills Skill Access Cost
Linegnolls 0-12 7 3 2 8 Gen 60k
Blockers 0-4 6 3 2 9 Block Gen, Str 70k
Blitzers 0-2 7 3 3 8 Block Gen, Str 90k
Runners 0-2 7 3 3 8 Sure Hands, Sprint Gen, Ag 90k

Rerolls: 60k

How about this?

I like this one. Sprint fits better than sure feet, and I was planning to reduce the movement of the runners anyway.

Relborn · Post by **Relborn** » Tue Jan 14, 2003 8:35 am

personally I won't think that blockers would fit very well into a gnoll team ...

In most teamlist I miss the Hyaena aspect ... any suggestions ?

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Tue May 06, 2003 8:01 am

How About

0-12 Gnoll Lineman 7 3 2 7 Shadowing 50k Gen
0-4 Gnoll Blitzer 7 3 3 8 Strip Ball, Tackle 90K Gen, St
0-4 Gnoll Blocker 7 3 2 7 Guard 60K Gen, St

Re-Rolls 50k

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue May 06, 2003 11:57 am

thats a lot of shadowing ;]

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Tue May 06, 2003 1:42 pm

Well i dont think shadowing is particularly overpowering on this team, and gives the team a new sense of direction. Plus a different set of skills on the Blitzer and a blocking position (which probably needs reclassifying perhaps adding AV 8 and increasing the cost , or droping MA to 6 )

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue May 06, 2003 1:54 pm

Shadowing on this team is going to casue the most problems for Elf teams, and it will likely cause quite a few casualties.

Not that I have a problem with that...

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Tue May 06, 2003 1:59 pm

Skummy wrote:Shadowing on this team is going to casue the most problems for Elf teams, and it will likely cause quite a few casualties.

Not that I have a problem with that...

Agreed but the low AV means the elves should be able to mix it up against this team, and the low AG throughout means the Gnolls will find it difficult to move the ball. the intention being that the team should be able to provide a decent defence but be weaker in attack. I wouldn't really see them as being as competitive as the traditional rosters

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue May 06, 2003 2:35 pm

The lack of agility does hurt them, but they do have a movement advantage. Having 8 players with strength skills is significant, but the lack of a big guy will also hurt them a good deal. It's an interesting roster, and I'd love to see what a good coach could do with it.

Cool Hand Fluke · Post by **Cool Hand Fluke** » Tue May 06, 2003 3:12 pm

I know it doesn't add much to this thread but i've just seen the shadowforge site on here. I gotta get me some bunnies