Interception before pass

[Zombie]

"If it ain't broke, don't F**K with it!"

It's always been broke. The intercept has been officially rolled before the pass ever since 3rd ed, but many leagues played it differently because it didn't make sense.

[Snew]

Unigoblin,

You're playing it wrong. You actually want it changed. Right now, and it always has been, it's int>pass>catch. That's what this excercise is all about, that particular game mechanic.

[neoliminal]

Let me check where you think the interception roll should go:

1. Declare pass action.
2. Declare target.
3. Roll for Pass Accuracy.
4. Scatter in accurate pass.
5. Roll for Catch.

Are you suggesting the roll be put between 3 and 4 or 4 and 5?

[Snew]

They want it between 3 and 4. The other thing was just an aside.

[Colin]

The ball being accurate or inaccurate only affects the catch, intercepting should come before this roll. Once you declare the pass, you are passing the ball so interception roll before the accuracy roll doesen't bother me.

[Darkson]

Some (unscientific) figures:-

In outr league of approx 50 games we played the rules as written int-pass-catch. There were 6 ints in total. For a laugh we rolled the pass dice anyway, and 3 of them "were" fumbles.

So, yes, changing the order would result in less ints in our experiance so I voted to keep as is.

[Darkson]

Anyway, wy the concern over "realism" for this one rule? Is it realistic that a ref would let someone on the pitch with a chainsaw? NO, so don't sweat it and just play!

[Ghost of Pariah]

Well this is really a silly argument because you can take the "realism" angle either way.

One way you are intercepting a fumble but the other way the passers are fumbling the ball waaaaay too much.

[Zombie]

Well, the results of the poll so far seem to speak for themselves. 14 people who like the rule and 38 who don't. Maybe with polls like this we can finally get something happening...

[The UniGoblin]

right...yeah...uhhhh...ummm....errrrrrr.....

...you guys...uhhhhh...didn't let me finish my quote! yeah!

"...but If it IS broke...F**K with it alot!!!"

See...I'm not a dummy after all!

[Ghost of Pariah]

It could also be interpreted as: 37 people don't want it changed and 22 do.

It's all in how you look at it. Polls are meaningless, easily biased and can be interpreted anyway the author likes.

[Zombie]

How can people who don't like the rule not want it changed? I understand that you can put the "don't care" people in that section (it makes perfect sense), but not the "don't like" categories.

[sean newboy]

I current see it as 31 are willing to use it as is, 23 know it should be changed, and 7 dont know/care.

[McSnaga]

I don't like the rule because the order doesn't make sense. It does however make sense if the whole point is to get more interceptions. Unless someone can provide a simple alternatove that doesn't mean less interceptions, then I will stick by my guns as not liking it but not wanting it changed.

[Munkey]

I voted don't care but having read the posts have decided that I prefer this rule the way it is (but can't figure out how o edit my vote ).

The way I see it the chances of fumbles are high to avoid people bombing the ball on improbable throws against slow teams and so as not to devalue throwing skills.

A disadvantage of this is that if done the pass>int>catch way there would be few opportunities for an int, a rare occurence anyway so the mechanic is int>pass>catch.

I know its not immediate common sense but it is clearly stated in the rulebook and in my opinion not a big problem (especially as I have only ever made 2 ints in all my time playing).