BBRC

Talafar · Post by **Talafar** » Sat May 17, 2003 12:11 am

I never played 3rd edition...

But I have already played quite a lot of games of BB. And looking over the different team rosters, they seem fine. If you compare any two rosters, they are pretty much balanced.
Say High Elves and Wood Elves.
The HE linelfs are higher armour, but the Wood Elves ones are faster. The same goes for the throwers. The Wardancers are better then the Dragon Warriors, and the Lion Warriors are better then the WE catchers.
Re-rolls cost the same. Fair? No cause the WE's can have a S6 treeman instead of a Linelf.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 12:18 am

Teams are not fair even without big guys. Can you honestly tell me that this is fair?

Humans:
0-2 Throwers
0-4 Catchers
0-4 Blitzers
0-12 Linemen
Total 10 positional players

Orcs:
0-2 Throwers
0-4 BOBs
0-4 Blitzers
0-4 Goblins
0-12 Line-orcs
Total 14 positional players

Come on. I could give you many more examples. The teams have never been perfectly balanced, with or without big guys, secret weapons or anything else you'd like to discuss.

Talafar · Post by **Talafar** » Sat May 17, 2003 12:27 am

Hmm. I guess goblins should be dropped from the orc roster

Well fair enough point, but I really don't think Big Guys (or SW) help the situation. The fact that this advantaged orc team can ALSO buy a chainsaw and go cutting up the humans, while the humans get no counter, just isnt very well balanced.

Damn that human vs orc roster arguement is a pain. But maybe an orc linesmen would be better then a goblin, so those extra 4 positional players arent as good as it seems.
Except they can be thrown...

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:12 am

You see, my point is that since the teams aren't perfectly balanced, any new rule that is brought in can serve to balance them out a bit more, e.g. by giving something to one team and nothing (or something useless) to another. Of course, if the team getting the extra stuff was already the stronger of the two, that's couterproductive, but if we're cautious, this shouldn't happen.

So the conclusion is that you don't need to give big guys for all teams or for no team at all for the 15 teams to be balanced. As long as they're more or less balanced with the complete ruleset, we're ok.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat May 17, 2003 1:35 am

Zombie let me just say ... a lot of well spoken comments ... nice way to really stuff Neo's earlier out of line slam.

Galak

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 2:33 am

Well, thanks. To be honest, i had already forgotten Neo's post. You should know by now i'm not one to care what people think.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Sat May 17, 2003 2:52 am

Zombie wrote:Teams are not fair even without big guys. Can you honestly tell me that this is fair?

Humans:
0-2 Throwers
0-4 Catchers
0-4 Blitzers
0-12 Linemen
Total 10 positional players

Orcs:
0-2 Throwers
0-4 BOBs
0-4 Blitzers
0-4 Goblins
0-12 Line-orcs
Total 14 positional players

This doesn't really show imbalance to me. Especially when you consider the lack of movement on the Black Orcs and the vulnerability of the goblins. On top of that the humans have a MA 8 position and the orcs don't come with a pass/catch combo.
I think I've said it before. I have never seen orcs dominate a league.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 3:12 am

You're right, orcs don't have a pass/catch combo until after the end of game one. Big deal. Stunty compensates for MA8 by moving through the line instead of going around it. BOBs don't need MA. Goblin vulnerability is not a good argument because human catchers are almost as vulnerable, and on the whole orcs are still much less vulnerable than humans.

If you've never seen orcs dominate a league, it's because you've never seen orcs played by a good coach.

Dark Lord (retired) · Post by **Dark Lord (retired)** » Sat May 17, 2003 3:19 am

I'm sure that's it.

I guess Deathwing is a poor coach. So am I and so is everyone in my league.

Can you show me where this is occuring?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 17, 2003 5:27 am

I totally agree with zombie about the orcs

I don't think letting them take goblins was a good move

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Sat May 17, 2003 5:30 am

what about dwarves only having access to 6 position players? I'd really like to see them get 0-4 blitzers to give them a tad more speed....with dwarves you make one mistake and the other team has a td.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 5:48 am

Dark Lord wrote:I'm sure that's it. :lol:

I guess Deathwing is a poor coach. So am I and so is everyone in my league.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Can you show me where this is occuring?

You can be a good coach and still be a bad orc coach. For example, i like to think of myself as a good coach, but i totally suck with dwarves. Don't take it as a personal insult.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 5:50 am

gken1 wrote:what about dwarves only having access to 6 position players? I'd really like to see them get 0-4 blitzers to give them a tad more speed....with dwarves you make one mistake and the other team has a td.

On a dwarf team, every player is a positional player! (Sorry to the person who posted this a week ago for stealing your line, but it's so good and so true.)

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sat May 17, 2003 5:50 am

tournament play is also a different animal from league

i would say deathwing sucks but he beat me 3-0 when i went to his house but i am blaming that on a rather stupid mummy :/

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat May 17, 2003 5:53 am

I'm betting i'd probably suck in tournaments. I guess we'll find out when i have enough money and a tournament comes up that's not too far from here.