Discuss Fantasy football-style board games - GW's Blood Bowl, Impact!'s Elfball, Privateer Press' Grind, Heresy's Deathball, etc. THIS IS NOT AN NFL FANTASY FOOTBALL SITE!
Deathwing wrote:Toby, you just don't get it do you?
Look i just played a international friendly match vs argentina this weekend, and i didn't have to leave my house to do that. (GER 9 ARG 0)
Its you who doesnt get a couple of things right. Having the POSSIBILITY to play people all over the world would promote turnaments like the one you mentioned. Traveling across continets is NOT an option.
Anyway i don't mind. Soon it will be yet another abandoned Blood Bowl project due to lack of interest.
Blood Bowl is a board game. The best part about it is looking at your opponent's face when you throw that two-dice-against block on his ball carrier with your halfling and succeed. You can't do that online. It also feels better when you can touch the miniatures and to throw the dice yourself instead of having a random algorithm do it for you.
I have Axis and Allies at home (the board game). I tried to play the computer version once but didn't like it at all. It just doesn't have the same feel.
A computer version can never replace a good board game, no matter what kind of 3D animations you put into it.
People who play Blood Bowl don't give a damn about a computer game; they want a board game with lots of support. What's so hard to understand?
Toby wrote:
Anyway i don't mind. Soon it will be yet another abandoned Blood Bowl project due to lack of interest.
Wanna Bet?
You have your beliefs and I have mine. I haven't seen a single abandoned Blood Bowl project in the last 2 years ... so your statement is made on the past with no acknowledgement of the present.
So you willing to wager on your statement? I've made 5 year bets before ... I have a long memory.
Simple Bet here really .... the NAF will be abandoned within X timeframe.
I'll let you pick the timeframe (be realistic) .. your comment above sounds like you have a short time line.
Winner buys loser a subscription to Blood Bowl Magazine (if BBM is no longer printed then GW magazine of choice can be substituted).
I know you are wrong ... now I realize you won't take the bet, but if you want to bait arguments with statements like you just made, I at least want to offer you the chance to profit from what you know to be true.
I am also making tentative plans to attend the GW Blood Bowl tournament next year... would help if I could get a solid date
but I am not sure what the hell I am gonna do for the rest of my planned holiday! there is not much in the UK to interest me (especially in winter!) so I may have to plan a European vacation to go with my BB addiction
chances are I will have to spend some time in Southend (with my relatives) so maybe I will get to meet some of you lunatics there as well!
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I'm kind of on the fence here...
An official online version would be nice (although not necessary) but Deathwing and the Gang are correct that the real fun is (or will be in my case) travelling somewhere and playing in person.
I'd love to put faces with the names. Well, unfortunately, in some cases I have already.
It's really great that PBeM will be included in some capacity in World Rankings. What else do you want? I don't think it should be included in a full capacity since I have had some concerns over the true randomness of the dice. No offence Galak, but something about it seems slightly off. I'll play it and enjoy it but I would not want it to reflect my rankings!
a well-designed, effectively-distributed, and (least likely) offically-endorsed online game would leave the board game in a very precarious position... the board game results would always be challenged by computer-only players... real-world players who did well would be abused and harassed by virtuals who would endlessly accuse them of cheating, of not following all rules, of fudging rolls, etc.... cries of "without a log rankings don't count" and "only count online games" would fly through the net faster than doctored photos of britney spears' head ineptly pasted into porno screenshots...
and the virtuals would be right... the naf rankings will be skewed by cheating, by forgetting rules, by fudging dice rolls, by players who conspire together to improve one's ranking, etc... for the same reason that i will never let people play league games on their own time without a trustworthy moderator, i will not put any stock at all into any naf ranking... and i'd even take virtual results with a grain of salt (as the cheating in pbem we all knew was happening has finally come to light)...
with or without a video game version, the rankings for tabletop games are pointless exercises in human avarice...
good thing we don't have to worry about that... gw will never allow a video-game version to roll off their shelves, it would seriously hurt their figure sales...
this entire thread is an exercise in wasted words.
but then, that would be the epitaph for all of human interaction, wouldn't it?
Um...the NAF ranking will be from GW sponsored tournies. I don't know how much cheating goes on at a tourney but I would think very little.
If I travelled to England to play Deathwing and he suggested we cheat to bumb our rankings up a little I'd probably pop him in the eye. No offense DW...just an example.
Y'know...speaking of "games" with "international rankings" without "online versions to play"...anyone ever heard of this game called...what's it again...Magic?
I hear that's pretty big worldwide...with this whole "ranking" system...and yet it never had an official way to play online for YEARS.
Dragoonkin wrote:
I hear that's pretty big worldwide...with this whole "ranking" system...and yet it never had an official way to play online for YEARS.
Ok despite the fact that the whole idea is competely pointless unless Blood Bowl is played online, with a ruleset that is definite, without any room for interpretation and 100% compatible to the board / tabletop version. Oh i forgot balancing and reducing the chance factor.
Anyone here who knows the world cybergames championship ?
I participated in Starcraft. You play a national ladder system on the internet and if you finish top 100 you are invited to a national qualifying tournament. That tournament is held locally so you travel to a city and play on a local area network. I finished 16th place (1/8 finals). The winners get tickets to Korea to participate in the World Championship. The games in Korea are shown live on TV. A mate of mine played pro Starcraft in Korea for one year. Starcraft is lightyears ahead of this "interesting NAF project".
Cheating.
I hope i am correct that this is about who is the best coach, not team.
You can of course cheat in qualifing but i hope that at the beginning of each tournament every coach has to start a new team. Bringing your cheated overpowered team to a tournament is one thing, making the right team management decisions throughout the tournament is another. My understanding of Blood Bowl is that a good coach is able to built a Team that works over a series of games, and wins his games with that team of course.
If anybody tells me that you are allowed to bring your team to the tournaments then ok, all my Blitzers are ST5, Stand Firm, my Catchers AG 5 Pass Block. I found 16 MAgic helmets and rolled 10 Times 6 on my treasury rolls. No player ever got injured or aged. Who wants to play me first ?
First of all, Stacraft is the only game with that kind of support. Choosing that computer game as an example isn't fair.
Second, NOBODY HERE CARES ABOUT FREAKING COMPUTER GAMES. We're here to discuss a board game, got it?
Third, it's interesting that you mention Starcraft rankings and cheating in the same post, as it's well known that 90% of the highest ranked players on Battlenet are map hackers. Of course, having been one of them, you'll deny it, but it remains true nonetheless.
Fourth, you can't cheat in organized board game tournaments like you can in computer games. And no, you can't bring anything but a rookie team. Unless they accept teams from former sanctioned tournaments, but in that case, they'll still check your roster very carefully for sure.
Fifth, Blood Bowl is actually getting to be one of the best organized board games that i know of. That ain't a small feat.
Sixth, oh well, there are so many things wrong in your post, i don't know what to talk about next.
Remember, BLOOD BOWL IS A BOARD GAME. How is that so hard to understand? And what do you think it will accomplish to repeat the same thing a thousand time? You want an online game, we don't. Accept that you lost and go with the majority.
