One turners

Khrage · Post by **Khrage** » Mon Oct 28, 2002 10:46 pm

Heh, I kind of like it. The opposite of the one player blitz result. A little too powerful though.

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:11 am

I wouldn't consider it overpowered - the odds of managing to score are not even as good as they are with a normal 1-turner, because you have to get the ball to the intended scorer.
Admittedly, if you have an ordinary one-turner already, you could use that RO to make things easier.

You could limit the possibility to only affect linemen, however. Think of it as the kicking team watching only the position players and one of the linemen notices that he has a chance of gaining glory...

Heiper · Post by **Heiper** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 9:44 am

Zombie wrote:I agree that a dwarf has the best chance, but that chance is pretty slim. All the gutter runner needs is 2+ to catch, 3+ to leap and 2+ to dodge, with the possibility of using a team reroll somewhere in there (maybe he even has catch for the first 2+). The 3 GFIs are almost a formality with sure feet.

This tactic is boring because there's nothing the other team can do (they don't even get one team turn) and it's overpowered for the same reason. One-turn scorers should be banned from BB.

Many leagues play with leap this way i'm going to say now. You can't Go For It on the leap, as it says in the rules about takeing 2 of you Normal movement. Yes i know its a thread on exactly that on this forum, but i couldn't find it atm to see if we did get a clarification on that. IF the league or the game you play at the time runs with that, the problem is solved by having a DEAP line all the way back so he can't use the leap.

Problem solved imo (if I understand the rules right

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Valen · Post by **Valen** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:40 pm

How about saying, one of your players can move upto his MA without dodging, that way a big guy in the front line cannot suddenly have Leap, there has to be a hole, and the player has to be quick enough to score in two turns with only two GFI's, no 1 turn Mummies or Tree's.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 12:41 pm

How about leaving it as it is?

Khail · Post by **Khail** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 1:16 pm

Seconded!

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:58 pm

Nobody's changing anything grumbleydoo. I personally prefer the current kick-off table over any of the variants I've seen (there were some interesting ideas in the "new kick-off table"-thread, though), but the idea proposed above certainly is good material for the people thinking of new kick-off tables. And specifically for those who like kick-off tables to be wacky and random. Therefore I've copied it to the beforementioned thread in the house rules forum so people can find it if they're interested.

Also, generally speaking, that would definitely make 1-turners available for every team, so those of you who think that it's unfair that only few teams have that possibility might like it too.

I personally have no problems whatsoever with 1-turners.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:57 pm

Here's a point. Hands up if you play in a league that is utterly dominated by 1 turn scoring teams.

Skummy · Post by **Skummy** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 4:04 pm

One turners do not dominate our league by any stretch of the imagination.

Post by **Dave** » Tue Oct 29, 2002 11:37 pm

not dominating but quite present (2 skaven teams, one yet without an OT and 1 WE team with one)

Depends on who they play actually

If the skaven play the Norse they usually get beaten rather harshly

and the one turner doesn't get his shot more than 1 time (If I play these Norse well that is ...... )

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Mon Nov 04, 2002 2:25 pm

Hi all,
I think it was Marcus who said the he'd rather use his GRs as turnover specialsists than 1-turners.

IMO, with 4 Gutter Runners on the team it doesn't really have to be one or the other. 3 turnover specialists go a long way, while that single 1-turner gives you an option that no other player can.

My league isn't dominated by 1-turners as such, but we have 3 skaven teams,and they all got one pretty quickly. It gives them a lot of very easy touchdowns.
IMO, they are not broken, but they are abit too easy to get.
Removing sprint skill is an easy way to fix that....

Anyway, my league has a skaven team that 1-turns "every" time. If you respond by putting a 5-guy chain so far down the pitch that he can't punch a hole in it with a blitz. Then he advances a few squares, making sure that he can score in 2.
There is very little you can do about this, and than hope he rolls a 1-1.

Fair enough - but sometimes a little bit on the boring side.

Al the Rat · Post by **Al the Rat** » Mon Nov 04, 2002 3:23 pm

Any play used over and over again can be boring though. I get interminably bored whenever I see a loose 8 man cage form up on one side of the pitch and then slowly march down the side line to score, blitzing, advancing, fouling. Ok the play doesn't work so well when your team develops leaping dauntlessed horned GRs with strip ball, but it does bore you senseless for the first few matches till your rookies start getting their SPPs.

Coach Barry · Post by **Coach Barry** » Mon Nov 04, 2002 9:06 pm

Since most of OT are Skaven and most of them don't have the +1MA, they just have VLL and Sprint, I think that VLL should not give the +1MA since it is easier to get VLL than the said +1MA, that comes with a straight 10 in two dice. VLL should only give the interception bonus, and not both bonuses as is right now. print is a skill that many other teams have and is far weaker than VLL, it is VLL that gives Skaven that extra edge.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Mon Nov 04, 2002 11:59 pm

That would only minimize the problem, it wouldn't make it go away. I've seen plenty of wood elf one-turners, and many skaven with 10 MA without VLL.

The idea of eliminating sprint is much better. Then make MA go to 10 max, like AV. It would leave one turn scores to goblins and halflings only.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Tue Nov 05, 2002 12:34 am

Zombie wrote:That would only minimize the problem, it wouldn't make it go away. I've seen plenty of wood elf one-turners, and many skaven with 10 MA without VLL.

The idea of eliminating sprint is much better. Then make MA go to 10 max, like AV. It would leave one turn scores to goblins and halflings only.

Interestingly enough Zombie, Chet's league eliminated the Sprint skill for its newest season and changed Very Long Legs so that it no longer adds +1 to MA ... instead its +1 to intercept and stops the use of the Safe Throw skill.

I know its scary that Chet did something you might like to his league, but thought I'd mention it.

Galak