So who's NOT up for joining the NAF?

[Trambi]

Blood Bowl is a game before beeing a board game.
Of course I prefer to play with painted figs on board but PBEM BB is still BB.
So why not a mixed ranking which take in consideration normal tournament and electronic tournament ?

Guys Make love instead making war

[Toby]

Toby, quit it, will you?

Not yet

First of all, Stacraft is the only game with that kind of support. Choosing that computer game as an example isn't fair.

Starcraft is a strategy game first of all, just like bloodbowl. It is the best real time strategy game ever, just like blood bowl is the best turn based strategy game ever. You cant bring Starcraft to a tabletop board without changing the gameplay significantly, unlike Blood Bowl that could be played both ways, on and offline with the same ruleset and depth. Choosing the best existing online strategy game for comparison is the only way to go. The standard is set to a high level but Blood Bowl could achieve that as well.

Second, NOBODY HERE CARES ABOUT FREAKING COMPUTER GAMES. We're here to discuss a board game, got it?

Very well we are here to discuss a Game first of all. Its freaking regardless on what platform it is played. Chess for example is 100% the same game on and offline. Both plattforms have their specific advantages, of course. For example online play is the only possibility to play and therefore rank players world wide without traveling.

Third, it's interesting that you mention Starcraft rankings and cheating in the same post, as it's well known that 90% of the highest ranked players on Battlenet are map hackers. Of course, having been one of them, you'll deny it, but it remains true nonetheless.

The only issue with maphack is people accusing each other of using it. As you can record games and watch the match in replay later it is hard to take any advantage of the hack. Maphack was never an real issue in pro gaming. Matches are observed by refrees who see the whole map. They can ask players for screenshots at any time which must be sent via icq within 20 seconds. Big Tournaments are played on local networks on tournament PCs. A lot of people use Maphack on b.net, thats correct, but it doesnt help them to become competitive. As for Blood Bowl things would be more complicated than simply revealing the playing field...

Fourth, you can't cheat in organized board game tournaments like you can in computer games. And no, you can't bring anything but a rookie team. Unless they accept teams from former sanctioned tournaments, but in that case, they'll still check your roster very carefully for sure.

Thats fine.

Fifth, Blood Bowl is actually getting to be one of the best organized board games that i know of. That ain't a small feat.

We will see.

Sixth, oh well, there are so many things wrong in your post, i don't know what to talk about next.

I return that compliment

Remember, BLOOD BOWL IS A BOARD GAME. How is that so hard to understand? And what do you think it will accomplish to repeat the same thing a thousand time? You want an online game, we don't. Accept that you lost and go with the majority.

Did you know that in the credits of WarCraft 3 there is a Blood Bowl game between Orcs and Humans ?

[Toby]

Blood Bowl is a game before beeing a board game.
Of course I prefer to play with painted figs on board but PBEM BB is still BB.
So why not a mixed ranking which take in consideration normal tournament and electronic tournament ?

I love you Trambi that is what i am talking about all the time !

[Trambi]

Tody : I thank you but I still don't like your superstar human catcher named Griff Oberwald

I think the biggest leagues of the world take place in the Internet (the MBBL for example) and play by e-mail. Why exclude an electronic tournament from NAF world ranking only cos it's an electronic tournament ?

Of course electronic version of BB is less profitable for GW than board game BB, is there any relationship ?

[Zombie]

on and offline with the same ruleset and depth

That is so not true. The depth you can achieve online is nowhere near what you have in real life, because you lose 99% of the interaction with the other person. If you can't see that, the loss is yours.

I won't even respond to the other points, you're just wasting my time anyway as it seems that you'll never understand what everyone is talking about here.

[Trambi]

I concede that the "social interaction" that exists in board game don't exist in the other version and that is the worst side of electronic BB.
For the other interactions they can exist even if it take more time.

For me, PBEM BB is less fun that "real" BB but for some people it is the simplest way to play BB.

In my mind, World ranking should not exclude anyone.

[Drakeular]

Lets get back to the real issue.

Black Dice, Black Dice oh where for out thou Black Dice.

Do you think they could roll all the way to Australia.

Gavan

[Trambi]

If not buy a black spray and a gold ink pen

[Toby]

Depth refers to the Depth of gameplay.

I play Starcraft only 2 vs 2 nowadays. I haven an "ally" he lives 800 Km away in Kiel. We became close friends only through SC. We use a system called Microsoft Game Voice, that allows real time voice communication via TCP/IP (IP Telephony).

I have never seen him face to face, only pictures, messengers, Battle.net the whole range availiable. I intend to visit him but keeping up the Friendship, visit or not is only possible through the net.

Think about it.

btw. I understand that perfectly. And I would ALWAYS prefer real miniature board blood bowl over online play. But if the PC enables me to play U and beat the crap out of your team, 99% of the interaction on this board would be worth it.

Trambi:
Guess what they have done

[Colin]

The NAF does sound cool and the dice are extremely cool!
The only thing that I am wondering is if it is going to cost anything to join, and if so, how much?
And by the way I do agree BB is first and formost a board game and that's the best way to play it.

[Thadrin]

Zombie - Give up. We've been arguing all these points with Trollby ever since he showed up around here. He won't listen to reason, and can't seem to grasp the fact that some of us couldn't care less about Starcraft, or for that matter tournaments in the land of the deep fried dog.

Save yourself some time, and however much hair you have left, and let it lie.

[BigD]

Like it say. Gotta to be in. The Dice look GREAT! Shame they're in Black though. I can see Dark Elf Coaches showing up with them. Of course we could always customise them a bit more and add a GREEN set for those of us ORC coaches LOL

BigD

[Thadrin]

can I get Special dice with little santa hats?

[BigD]

I've gotta admit I love playing both ways. Email is great and has its place but the face-to-face along with the intimidation is much better. But its all about communication. When playing by PBEM you need to add comments etc as it makes the game much more interesting and fun to play.

The BBPBEM tool has come along a long way as well and has to be one of the best tools I've ever come across. Its great to use and hardly ever goes wrong. I've come across a few errors but nothing major. For an non-commercial product this tool is excellent. Remember a tool doesn't have to be commercial to be great. This is one tool I'd definitely pay good money for!

Unless Toby can come up with a better tool or finance it stop complaining! It just means people like myself don't get to play you and if you moan in person as much as you do on this board then thats probably doing most of us a favour!

BigD

[voyagers_uk]

DW, I think we are getting away from the point of your teaser campaign.

I want in and want copious dice thrown my way. BigD's suggestion of having different colour dice as per your favourite race might be an interesting twist. I'd still want the Black menacing ones though. Any chance the highlighted details could glow in the dark?

Any posts not about joining up to NAF run th erisk of being deleted, we have had the online debate before and it is boring now.