One turners

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:04 pm

I've seen lots of comments about one turners, some good, some neutral, most bad.

Are they really that much of a problem in the wider BB community? We only had 1 GR who could do it, and he was picked on heavily in most matches. Are they really to powerful, or is it just because it's a "boring" tactic (to paraphrase someone i forget)?

Anthony_TBBF · Post by **Anthony_TBBF** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:18 pm

I can't say it bothers me all that much, besides it's not just Gutter Runners you have to worry about, but thrown Gobbos/Halfings as well, they can both score in one turn. Do you limit those as well?

DaImp · Post by **DaImp** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 8:19 pm

I don't think that 1 turners are all that common, but they certainly are annoying. I think most of the noise about them comes from irritation at ppl using this tactic every turn and as a result making the games too predictable.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 9:28 pm

Anthony_TBBF wrote:I can't say it bothers me all that much, besides it's not just Gutter Runners you have to worry about, but thrown Gobbos/Halfings as well, they can both score in one turn. Do you limit those as well?

Didn't have any in our league, as we only had 2 gobbos on a orc team and he never had enough to buy an orge ( I think he lost 3 BOB's all season, one on a GFI by the ez

). He didn't have a lot of luck this season.

Dragoonkin · Post by **Dragoonkin** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:02 pm

The main "problem" with one-turn touchdowns is that if the rolls go the players' way, there's nothing his opponent can do to stop it...it's just BAM, scores...without a chance for the other side to even have an opportunity to make a counter-play.

christer · Post by **christer** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 10:42 pm

The main "problem" with one-turn touchdowns is that if the rolls go the players' way, there's nothing his opponent can do to stop it...it's just BAM, scores...without a chance for the other side to even have an opportunity to make a counter-play.

Well, that happens against a well developed elf team who has good dice.. There's no way you can stop it... The elven two-turn touchdown(tm) is very difficult to stop even when the elven coach has "normal" dice.

-- Christer

Dragoonkin · Post by **Dragoonkin** » Thu Oct 17, 2002 11:08 pm

Yes, but, with the one-turn touchdown, the opponent doesn't even get to make an ATTEMPT to stop the touchdown. That's the slightly unfair point.

There's a difference between trying to stop someone and botching, and not getting a chance at all.

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 2:44 am

If you know how to play defensively and control the clock then a turn score can be to your advantage.
I used to love letting the gr's score on my dwarves and then scoring in turn 7 or 8, receiving the ball in the second half and beating the crap out of them until turn 8 and scoring again.

Mestari · Post by **Mestari** » Fri Oct 18, 2002 5:41 am

Pariah has a point there - tha faster he scores, the faster you get the ball again.
One turn scorer means usually either gobbos, flings, woodies or skaven - teams where a low AV is dominant. Even a slightly less bashy team can use that fact to their advantage.

If you start to play "shootout" with another team (both teams attempting to score as fast as possible) make sure that the probability of you scoring on offense is higher than his (easy to calculate with 1-turners, slightly harder with 2-turners). Otherwise you're doomed, and this might often be the case against 1-turn scorers.

In the same way as people say "do not play dwarf-ball against dwarves", I say "do not play TD-fest with one-turn-scorers".

half when you receive: score in eight turns. He has one turn to go - line up 8 players near your own end zone to make the 1-turn score as hard as possible - perfect defense might help. Make his odds as low as possible and hope that he fails. You can win this half 1-0.

Half when you kick-off. Force him to try a 1-turn TD - his odds of success will be higher as you can't put all your players near your EZ, but it doesn't matter. If he scores, fine - then you score on your turn 8 to get 1-1 half. If he fails, score on your turn 8 and get another 1-0 half.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:08 am

Problem with your argument Pariah: if he has a one-turn scorer, he'll score again on the last turn of the game after you've scored and make it 2-2!

That's one of the reasons i don't like one-turn scorers: they make playing the clock impossible.

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:11 am

I saw mentioned earlier, someone stating that they considor thrown gobbos and halflings in the same category as these silly one turners, I disagree.

I am probably one of the people who hate one turners the most

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But there is something about a little guy being lobbed downfield for a TD that just makes me chuckle.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sat Oct 19, 2002 8:20 am

Same here, i don't mind gobbos and halfers being thrown around, just not on an orc team. Orcs are powerful enough as it is. I've been saying this ever since BB2k1 came out with big guys that have TTM right from the start: get the gobbos off the orc team!

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Sat Oct 19, 2002 9:14 am

Has anyone actually seen an orc & gobbo team use TTM to much effect? Was the coach successful?

Ian

Valen · Post by **Valen** » Sat Oct 19, 2002 10:03 am

I used a halfling team last year just for a chuckle

.

I never really had that much sucess with the TTM, apart from one match against the Bright Crusaders, 5-4 victory, 5 succesful TTM

.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Sun Oct 20, 2002 6:14 am

ianwilliams wrote:Has anyone actually seen an orc & gobbo team use TTM to much effect? Was the coach successful?

I have. They don't need to score with it everytime, obviously, but even once in a while is to much if you consider the other strengths of that team. Actually, with the gobbos in there, it has no weaknesses and too many strengths.