Are Trolls worth having?

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:49 pm

I've got an Orc team and would like to play with a Troll as they are more Orky than an Ogre (orrible ooman looking fings!) but they look a bit rubbish.

For a mere 20k less they are slower, less agile, need to be babysat to make sure they do anything and are likely to eat my goblins rather than throw them - the only upside they have to an Ogre is they regenerate (and realistically how often are they going to die?). I'm inclined to just pay the extra cash and buy an Ogre.

So I need the benefit of your collective experience - are Trolls as bad as they look?

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:54 pm

Well they are strong, which i guess is why you want a big guy in there. Your most likely put him on the LOS, so I guess your going to be putting black orcs next to him. This will mean he effectivly gets bone head instead, with the teammate helping. Trolls don't really have the agility to do much else, so for this he is good. The other bonus is he has regenerate over the ogre who doesn't, though my trolls have failed every regen roll they have taken so far ;]

So at the end of the day both have their advantages over each other, ogres can kinda throw a goblin. It looks to me though your going more orcy and no self respecting orc would want a goblin on their team, so take the troll no big reason why not ;]

Joaquim · Post by **Joaquim** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 1:58 pm

As in Goblin teams Ogres are costing 240k (this should be clarified in this revision, I hope)... Trolls are the sensitive choice - and with 2 of them...

In a Orc team... well, actually, the 20k doesn't justify the difference... but, if you prefer trolls...
As BigGuys usualy take all game in the LoS, making blocks, throwing an odd goblin... it really doesn't make a so big diference... because they're normally acompanied, and don't move much... but if you buy a Troll and he hits your goblin in that crucial turn, just don't ask me anything!!.....

Joaquim

Sputnik · Post by **Sputnik** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 2:54 pm

I voted for 'yes' because I love the regeneration. Trolls in teams with other players having a low AV don't need your Apo that often and can look after themselves. And if only used for the line, there should always be some other guy aroung to reduce the RS to BH.

Munkey wrote:

the only upside they have to an Ogre is they regenerate (and realistically how often are they going to die?).

My kroxigor died three times in ten games, and the opponents weren't just after him.

Such things can happen, you know??

If you don't want your big guy throwing around lots of your little guys or to blitz most of the time, why not take a troll and add some flavor to yout team??

And there are teams like chaos dwarves not having the luxury of choise inbetween an ogre or troll...

Sputnik

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:00 pm

Munkey wrote:the only upside they have to an Ogre is they regenerate

That's not even an upside, as for bashing teams, think skull is better than regeneration as it allows you to stay on the field and keep numerical superiority.

Trolls are definitely worth it and much superior to Minotaurs IMO, but on a team that can take Ogres for just 20k more, stay away from Trolls.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 3:08 pm

Its not always about whats better on the pitch, take the troll if you feel he fits more into your teams theme, you even got me thinking about it now, I didn't consider a troll mainly cause I keep seeing orc teams with ogres.

Khail · Post by **Khail** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:35 pm

Bah, fluff. I just converted up a skahin' HUUUGE black orc (one of the 40K warbosses...stands about a head taller than anyone else on the team) that has Ogre stats

The base easily differentiates him from my other black orcs (not to mention his size), and just tell your opponent what's up before the match. <shrug> works for everybody in my league

-Khail

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:04 pm

Its not always about whats better on the pitch, take the troll if you feel he fits more into your teams theme, you even got me thinking about it now, I didn't consider a troll mainly cause I keep seeing orc teams with ogres.

I think that just about nails it, I do feel that trolls are more in theme with my team but they're just a little bit too poor in comparison with the ogre. Why do you think you keep seeing orc teams with ogres?

I'm not even too bothered about them eating goblins as i'm not convinced that orcs should have goblins anyway. Perhaps we could have a house rule saying that orc teams cannot choose ogres.

Mocaiv · Post by **Mocaiv** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:24 pm

I hope that Trolls will be "reasonable" as I am making a Snotling team using the unofficial rules and they can have 4 Trolls.

Joaquim · Post by **Joaquim** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:35 pm

Well, if you are creating a team just remember that 20k is 2 FF...
For their mission I think it's about the same...
Troll have regeneration... that's a good thing: you can allways use your Apo to take care of the Orcs, and the troll will, probably take care of himself....

It would be more your coaching skill wich will make a diference, not this question about Ogre/Troll...

So, just take what suits you better, in this case I would say: take the troll... but don't try to house rule this... there is no need, I think

Joaquim

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 5:55 pm

It all depends on what you want.
I have ran about 3 orc teams in my life. One had an Ogre and goblins and was built to be competitive. The others were built for fun and had a troll. (one had gobbos and the other didn't.)
If you want to go for the bowl game then buy the ogre and toss the goblins and play the way the strategy guides tell you to. If you want a flavor team and the look is more important than the win. I day buy the troll. Trolls are very orcy. They don't get hurt but they tend to get distracted at the worst (most humorous) time!

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:20 pm

Pariah wrote:It all depends on what you want.
I have ran about 3 orc teams in my life. One had an Ogre and goblins and was built to be competitive. The others were built for fun and had a troll. (one had gobbos and the other didn't.)
If you want to go for the bowl game then buy the ogre and toss the goblins and play the way the strategy guides tell you to. If you want a flavor team and the look is more important than the win. I day buy the troll. Trolls are very orcy. They don't get hurt but they tend to get distracted at the worst (most humorous) time!

So who was it who said:
"Frum won koach to annuver, don't EVER hire a troll!"

Ghost of Pariah · Post by **Ghost of Pariah** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:33 pm

That was not me!
That was my esteemed collegue Koch Brak Barfbref.

Datz rite! Pariah gav me da ax cuz uv dat troll! Trollz iz stoopid an if yoo wanna win yoo shoold `ire da ogaz!

Now kwit konfoozin' me wif dat sissie `oomun, Pariah!

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 6:42 pm

Mocaiv wrote:I hope that Trolls will be "reasonable" as I am making a Snotling team using the unofficial rules and they can have 4 Trolls.

Just make sure you used the new rules for Titchy. Otherwise the Snotling team is badly broken (on the too good side)

Galak

Khrage · Post by **Khrage** » Wed Oct 30, 2002 7:16 pm

Yesterday I would have voted yes, but last night I played a goblin team with two trolls and Ripper and sad to say was not impressed. One of the trolls (aptly named Dummer) did nothing five of the turns. Three of those turns he was on his behind or trying to roll over (I run an orc team). Even though I out bashed him, Regenerate never came into play.

If you want the fluff and flavor, have fun with the Troll. But expect to chew on your playbook a little.

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