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gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Sat May 17, 2003 7:01 pm

How is the fan factor bonus for cas calculated right now? Is it all casualties caused during the game or just spp casualties?

I would think the logical choice is all casualties caused since the fans don't care if someone got spp's for a cas, they just like the blood in bloodbowl.

But I can see someone saying the other way too.

Munkey · Post by **Munkey** » Sat May 17, 2003 7:35 pm

Had a thread on this a while back, I think the concensus was that all casulties count as this is what the fans see.

IIRC there was no definative rule however, this was just the way most people played it.

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Sat May 17, 2003 7:43 pm

yeah i saw it in the hot list for bbrc but didn't really see how people were interpreting it.

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Sat May 17, 2003 9:23 pm

gken1 wrote:yeah i saw it in the hot list for bbrc but didn't really see how people were interpreting it.

My interpretation is the Fouling and Secret Weapon CAS also count for FF along with Blocking ... nothing else.

Expect this to get changed in October to be only SPP casaulties.

Galak

Post by **Thadrin** » Sun May 18, 2003 5:21 am

GalakStarscraper wrote:
My interpretation is the Fouling and Secret Weapon CAS also count for FF along with Blocking ... nothing else.

Expect this to get changed in October to be only SPP casaulties.

Galak

Can I just ask what the reasoning behind this is?

Post by **Dave** » Sun May 18, 2003 6:00 am

Thadrin wrote:
GalakStarscraper wrote:
My interpretation is the Fouling and Secret Weapon CAS also count for FF along with Blocking ... nothing else.

Expect this to get changed in October to be only SPP casaulties.

Galak
Can I just ask what the reasoning behind this is?

the book shows: +1 for cas inflicted..

Seems obvious to me

Post by **Thadrin** » Sun May 18, 2003 6:58 am

You're missing my meaning: I've always taken it to mean ANY cas - crowd, blocking, dodging, fouling, SW. You get at least two, then you get the +1. Its just the Crowd getting off on seeing opponents getting hurt, like they care HOW it happens.

I see no reason why this should change, but Galak says it probably will. I just want the reasons why I should change how I've always interpreted the rule.

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Sun May 18, 2003 7:09 am

Yeah, agree with Thads. We counted cas from Blocks, fouls, dodges, even crowd deaths from throw a rock. My norse crowd don't really mind how the opposistion die.

gken1 · Post by **gken1** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:29 am

yeah I don't think the fans are watching saying "i don't like that hit....it wasn't legal" or "man those chainsaws injuries just don't do it for me"... I think blood bowl crowds will take injuries anyway they get 'em...even if they help cause them.

Sushé Wakka · Post by **Sushé Wakka** » Sun May 18, 2003 9:10 am

I always thought the crowd like the injuries they cause even more than those caused by the players. The fans are a bunch of phsycopats, after all.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Sun May 18, 2003 9:39 am

We've always counted all cas. (however caused) for fan factor rolls. Quite apart from the fluff 'crowd wouldn't care' point there's the simplicity of it;
Look at your opponents cas. box, count and add one if they used their apoth, as opposed to:
Keep cas. that gain SPPs separate from those that don't and record whether the apoth was used on an SPP gaining injury or not.

The point here is whether we need to add a level of complexity and (in-game) book-keeping in order to keep a check on FF. I don't think it's necessary at all with the current minuses once FF breaks the 10, 20 bracket etc and the 'natural 1' rule. Are we/would we really seeing/see FF spiralling out of control if non-SPP gaining cas. are counted on the FF table?

Of course if the 'natural one' rule was to go, then it'd go a little way to counterbalancing that, but then we'd still see an overall rise in FF.

KISS on this for me.

StillGas · Post by **StillGas** » Sun May 18, 2003 10:03 am

Sushé Wakka wrote:I always thought the crowd like the injuries they cause even more than those caused by the players. The fans are a bunch of phsycopats, after all.

Exactly. I said something very similar on the previous debate on this and it's good to see there are like minded folks out there.

Maybe these ones should count double

Seriously though, as Deathwing said, simplicity is the key.

Post by **Thadrin** » Sun May 18, 2003 11:53 am

Deathwing wrote:We've always counted all cas. (however caused) for fan factor rolls. Quite apart from the fluff 'crowd wouldn't care' point there's the simplicity of it;
Look at your opponents cas. box, count and add one if they used their apoth,

I usually put my Apoth in the Daead and injured box instead. Just Grunt the figs.

Deathwing wrote: Of course if the 'natural one' rule was to go, then it'd go a little way to counterbalancing that, but then we'd still see an overall rise in FF.

After twenty games I think our league's highest FF is 15 or so. I'm not seeing MONSTER FFs. We don't use the rule of 1. I still don't see people going up and up and up.
If you want a tougher counterbalance make it -1 for every five points over ten on the FF roll.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Sun May 18, 2003 4:32 pm

After ~30 games the ECBBL's highest FF was ~16. This is with the 1&6 and -1 per 10 FF. On top of that I think almost everyone started with FF of 6 or more.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Sun May 18, 2003 5:07 pm

think the highest in fumbbl has been 21 or 22 i can't remember and don't know how long that stayed