Last Pass at (or for) the Dark Elfs

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Fri May 30, 2003 8:27 am

Hi all,
recently we had a big discussion about changing the dark elf team, but it seems to me that it got sidetracked. So I'll try again.

IMO, it would be a good idea to differentiate the dark elfs more from the high elfs. The dark elf team description emphasizes that they prefer the running game over the passing game, so that is a good place to start.

I hope we all agree that the dark elf team is by no means too weak. If we add something, then something else has to be taken away.

My idea has 2 parts:
1) Change the thrower into a runner. The runner is a dark elf lineman with sure hands.
2) This has cost the team it's access to an entire skill category, and it should be compensated by getting access to another, namely strength. The loss was on 0-2 players, and in order to make the reward the same, the witch elfs gain access to ST skills.
(Previously, I've suggested giving ST to the blitzers, but as there is now 0-4 of them, I believe that that would be too much).

Simple really. 1 skill and 1 category replaced by another skill and another category. The darkies are now the elven team with a lethal edge, but at the cost of their impressive passing game.

*****The Dark Elf Team******
Evil incarnate, the dark elves enjoy nothing more than humiliating the opposition - and they are both agile and vicious enough to do so. Few teams escape the dark elves with just their pride in bandages.

0-12 70K Line Elf 6348 G,AG -
0-4 100K Blitzers 7348 G,AG block
0-2 120K Witch Elfs 7347 G,AG,ST jump up, frenzy, dodge
0-2 80K Runners 6348 G,AG Sure Hands

ReRolls 50K. Apothecary and Wizard as normal. No Big Guy.
*****************************

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Fri May 30, 2003 8:53 am

I just give the thrower Sure Hands instead of Pass, and keep the Passing Skill access. Then you can develop a long passing game if you want.

Maybe giving DE Blitzers or Witches access to St skills would work anyway - but then the argument is what do you give HE which are probably marginally weaker?

StillGas · Post by **StillGas** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:03 am

I do like the runner idea but would like to see them with ma 7 and costing 90k.

I would imagine a specialist runner to be at least a little quicker than a standard lineelf.

grotemuis · Post by **grotemuis** » Fri May 30, 2003 9:36 am

agree, you remove throwers (with acces to passing skills) and you put a lineman with sure hands back. doesn't seem right

Colonel Fatlad · Post by **Colonel Fatlad** » Fri May 30, 2003 10:03 am

I like the roster, but I also think the runner should be faster, maybe with a drop in AV to compensate. I don't mind the removal of the Passing skills from the team, as they are all AG4 anyway, so any AG increase or doubles skill can get you a good passing game.

Post by **Dave** » Fri May 30, 2003 10:39 am

No ST acces

Runner = Lineman +1 MA + Sure Hands..acces Passing skills

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Fri May 30, 2003 10:51 am

+MA is a good idea. I'd like

7-3-4-7 Sure Hands, Gen, Ag, Ps 90k

I don't think you need any more skilling, and pushing the price too 100k or over is not an option when all the other positional players cost 100+.

slup · Post by **slup** » Fri May 30, 2003 11:26 am

Faster runners for sure, lover the AV.
Makes them more interesting.

ST on blitzers if no PS are available.
For three reasons:
If you haven't got any throwers you need more strengt-skills like guard and Piling On in order to stay in control.
Witch elves are blessed with a lot of starting skills, adding strengtskills to them will make them terrifying (leave norse blitzers with frenzy - Piling on - jump up).
At last it suits them better than witch elves.

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Post by **Dave** » Fri May 30, 2003 12:04 pm

Give the runner passing skills as well / instead of Ag.
Gives the long bomb oprion as well, is kinda nice to be able to do both.

grotemuis · Post by **grotemuis** » Fri May 30, 2003 12:15 pm

if he keeps passing skills, there is no change for the kind of player

Post by **Dave** » Fri May 30, 2003 12:22 pm

I think there is, he has not got pass to begin with, makes wuite some difference.

He'll be a player that collects the ball, keeps it and quick passes it to the TD scorer..

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Fri May 30, 2003 12:50 pm

Hi all,
no offense, but it looks like half of you didn't actually read what I said.

The idea is pretty simple. We've got a 4th elf team coming up, and to me it seems extremely boring that they all have access to an excellent passing game. This is emphasized by the dark elf team description mentioning that the darkies prefer the running game.

So I say, snip their super passing game.
They've got AG4 and can still pull off a decent passing game, but as a wise coach once said: "AG4 doth not a passing game make".

Then, having lost their super passing game, ST strength will help their ground based running game. Besides, they're really evil (tm), and breaking some bones seems very fitting.

Martin

PS - as for a 7347 runner, no problem

slup · Post by **slup** » Fri May 30, 2003 1:36 pm

And i have a general problem playing High elves, when i could play dark elves instead.
Sure, they have no catchers, but with AG4 and agility-skills everywhere they are all catchers.
And in addition you get witch elves, 2 extra blitzers and you are allowed to be pure evil.
And if this wasn't enough, high elves got sooo ugly miniatures.

"Sheer spite makes the dark elves enjoy the running game",
yeah right, with throwers like that.

It does not matter much wheather a thrower/runner starts with sure hands or pass, since he is going to end up with both somewhere along the line.
The difference lies in whether he can get passing-skills or not.

Post by **DoubleSkulls** » Fri May 30, 2003 1:58 pm

plasmoid wrote:Hi all,
no offense, but it looks like half of you didn't actually read what I said.

The idea is pretty simple. We've got a 4th elf team coming up, and to me it seems extremely boring that they all have access to an excellent passing game. This is emphasized by the dark elf team description mentioning that the darkies prefer the running game.

Giving witches or blitzers strength skill access, IMO, gives them a leg up - and then all the HE coaches will say, well what about us, and before we know it the whole balance gets upset.

I think just changing the thrower into a runner with Passing skills access is enough to differentiate them from the HE and new Elves.

plasmoid · Post by **plasmoid** » Fri May 30, 2003 2:09 pm

Hi Ian Williams,

>Giving witches or blitzers strength skill access, IMO, gives them a leg up.
Exactly!
This is why they should be stripped of their PA skill access!

>HE coaches will say, well what about us?
To which we can then reply: You've got passing skills.

Martin