Fouling at Tournaments

mrinprophet · Post by **mrinprophet** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:57 pm

I was hoping to get some feedback from those of you who have attended any of the recent tournaments. I was wondering if you experienced more fouling during the tournaments than you normally do during your tabletop league/pbem league games. My thought is that with the stigma of injuring/killing a player of someone you play against normally removed, one would be more likely to foul. The reason I ask this is that I'm considering taking Woodies to the GenCon tournament. I've never actually played them, but they seem fun to play and with the roster resetting after each game, a particularly violent game wouldn't have any lasting effects. However, I'm not sure about how fouling affects them as in my test games there isn't much fouling going on.

The other reason I'd play woodies is that I only have painted orc, norse, skaven, wood elf, high elf, and undead teams. Most of my experience is with orcs and skaven. Thoughts please...

Khankill · Post by **Khankill** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 7:14 pm

From my experience, I would say that those who foul, still foul in tournaments. Those that don't, don't.

I will foul when it is advantagious for me to do so.

This is the first tourney that I have been in with star players and if I see one on the turf, I may go a little out of my way to jump up and down on his melon.

Corlus · Post by **Corlus** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 8:01 pm

I agree with Khankill. I normally don't go out of my way to foul, but I would love to brag about punting Griff's head.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 8:28 pm

friendly or tourney i think it makes no diff, I played someone with three dirty players in a tourney once, as Longfang will also attest, we both beat him. I only foul for a tactical advantage in tourneys or leagues, but in leagues may be more often because i'd have almost certainly built up a dirty player to target the oppo's best player if i can get at him.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:19 pm

yer at the spikey last year i didn't foul once yet if i had gotten one more cas even from a foul then i would have gone through to the finals, marcus beat me on touchdown difference.

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:23 pm

Personally, i'd be more tempted to foul in a tourney, because of the abundance of star players. The first skill i'd get would probably be dirty player.

Deathwing · Post by **Deathwing** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 10:28 pm

Stars are exceptions rather than the norm in tournies.

Post by **Dave** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:09 pm

luckily enough..
Got fouled once during the Dutch open, fouled once (prone Wdancer .. duh ..)

that makes few foules..

lawquoter · Post by **lawquoter** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:15 am

Zombie wrote:Personally, i'd be more tempted to foul in a tourney, because of the abundance of star players. The first skill i'd get would probably be dirty player.

I agree. I don't normally foul, but If I play a tourney, I admit, I'd go after a Griff or Varag and give 'em the boot. Since you're playing Welfs, I'd think those wardancers would be marked...

Redfang · Post by **Redfang** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 7:15 am

I played Dwarfs at both the Dutch and French Open tournaments...

My experience is that I fouled more than I got fouled and I didn't foul very much. I would never foul with IGMEOY against me, unless of course necessary to score/win the game (if scoring is impossible/less likely to succeed without the foul). Furthermore, I only fouled when I got a good player down with a good chance of taking him out (like a Wardancer with half my cage around him after he failed a leap

)

I think I lost more players to fouling by getting sent off (2 or 3 times that happened; on a 6+!), then I removed off the pitch myself

Also, I did not take Dirty Player...

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Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:08 am

I'll quite often foul in tournaments - especially if there's stars or some reward for fouling. As grumbledook mentioned, I pipped him at the post in the Spiky, mostly because I took a dirty player and got maximum casualty points (foul casualties counted for tournament points) every game I could.

Teams like humans with stars or woodelves rely heavily on one or two players - I'm quite happy to have a DP sent off if it means neutralising the opponent's crucial player.

Tactical fouling to stun a player who is in a dangerous position is also essential.

Blackscale · Post by **Blackscale** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:41 am

I foul more in tournaments, but only if that gives me a real advantage. However, if I 'Get the Ref' in a tournament, I will try and foul every turn if I have a spare player.
In regular play, I foul almost never.

joker · Post by **joker** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 9:55 am

at tourney, if my opponent foul early i try to not fault until T8 to keep IGMEOY on him so fouling on 4+ will give him more out of the game

but sometimes i foul key player, like PO etc

Zombie · Post by **Zombie** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:15 pm

Redfang wrote:I played Dwarfs at both the Dutch and French Open tournaments...

My experience is that I fouled more than I got fouled and I didn't foul very much.

Well of course. Dwarves are the worst fouling team of the game (they're crap at it), since their linemen cost 70k, and they don't even get the fouling edge that other 70k linemen (elves) get, that is AG4 and good MA to reach the victim. As a result, dwarves in a tourney (few players and few skills) don't develop a dirty player, and without a dirty player, fouling is not worth it.

The opposite is also true, in that dwarves are the worst team to foul against, with their AV9 and thick skull. It's hard to get any kind of result on a foul against them. And since their most expensive player is worth only 90k (i.e. only 20k more than their worst player), there's nobody worth fouling either.

I'd be surprised if any dwarf coach told me he'd seen a lot of fouling in his tourney games.

Grumbledook · Post by **Grumbledook** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:23 pm

lol there was one guy at spikey last year took dirty player every skill for his dwarfs and fouled every turn