Ogre teams

gijimmy · Post by **gijimmy** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:32 am

i've been using the roster with really stupid ogres #2 i believe anyway just wondering if anyone else has been using a roster ?? so far i still believe that the roster with the really stupid 100k line man ogres is the best i'm thoroughly enjoying the games....none of which have been a blow out either way

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:04 am

Check out the MBBL on Galak's site, where all 3 of the possible Ogre rosters are being playtested.

Post by **Old Man Draco** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:33 am

IIRC you could still playtest an Orge #3 team in MBBL. Look at this thread.

viewtopic.php?t=7372

Have fun

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Fri Jul 25, 2003 10:31 am

Draco wrote:IIRC you could still playtest an Orge #3 team in MBBL. Look at this thread.

viewtopic.php?t=7372

Have fun

Nope ... spot filled by Xtreme ... sorry for lack of update.

Galak

gijimmy · Post by **gijimmy** » Sun Jul 27, 2003 4:11 am

well what i was really wondenig is if anyone here was trying out an ogre roster and what they thought about them

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:34 pm

I've played the #2 rosters and have found it challenging but no more so than running a Halfling team. Its still my favorite of the 3.

Galak

Evolve To Anarchism · Post by **Evolve To Anarchism** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 9:18 pm

I'd prefer that they stick to simple elegant rules in their attempt to balance out the ogres thus I seriously dislike option #1. I have another suggestion on ways to downpower the ogres that is simple and thematic.

Ogres aren't supposed to be too bright. So, in keeping with the boneheaded nature of Ogres, you could make their RRs less reliable. I see two approaches.

1) If an ogre wants to use a RR, he's got to make a bonehead roll to see if he remembers what the coaches taught him. If he fails he doesn't get the RR.

2) Treat RRs like pro rolls. Much harsher then #1.

slackman · Post by **slackman** » Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:53 pm

here's an idea, keep the BIG GUY trait on the BIG GUYS! that way, the gobbos can still use the rrs (maybe lessen their price a bit) and keeps the ogres a bit more in balance, at least w/ the other team's ogres.

slackman42

darthnoir · Post by **darthnoir** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 3:58 am

My leagues have been using roster #2. Roster #2 seems to perform closer to the personality of the fluff text than any of the other rosters.

Colin · Post by **Colin** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:36 am

Roster #2 seems to be the one prefered by most, so probably will have the least chance of becoming official (excuse me for being cynical).

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 6:29 am

slackman wrote:here's an idea, keep the BIG GUY trait on the BIG GUYS! that way, the gobbos can still use the rrs (maybe lessen their price a bit) and keeps the ogres a bit more in balance, at least w/ the other team's ogres.

slackman42

From what was discussed when the TBB made up their version, JJ's basically said that's not going to happen

Post by **GalakStarscraper** » Tue Jul 29, 2003 12:43 pm

Guys .... this is a bang head against wall topic at this point.

By that I mean suggested changes have as much chance of occurring as knocking down a brick wall with your head.

Jervis worked with the BBRC to create and endorse the 3 Ogre rosters for testing.

Said testing has already begun in several leagues, and the bottom line is that the rosters are working like the ST 5 Halfling team that JJ wanted.

So I've been told flat out ... one of those 3 rosters is going to become the Ogre team ... (ie this really has ceased to become a discussion issue of what the Ogre team should look like ... its going to be one of the 3).

So now what is needed is for folks to play those rosters and send feedback directly to Jervis and Andy about what which of the 3 rosters they played and which one they would like to see become the Ogre team.

The only one of the 3 so far that been suggested might be better than a Halfling team was roster #1 by Skummy's league which was great information since in my league the roster #1 isn't doing so hot.

At this point what is really needed is for folks to test the 3 rosters and give us feedback on which one works the best and is most like the ST 5 Halfling team that Jervis has requested the Ogre team be. That discussion has incredible merit and we really need as much of that as possible.

Galak

Evolve To Anarchism · Post by **Evolve To Anarchism** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 3:41 am

I think this one is a no-brainer, if they want a ST5 version of the halflings. I'd definitely got for roster #2. I've played a fair number of games against the a version of roster #3 on FUMBBL but without the handicaps and $ penalty. My impressions are they suck but have great potential at high TR, I think the FUMBBL stats back this up.

As for roster #1, that's got to be one of the least elegant games mechanic I've ever seen for weakening something that is too potent. And that's why I suggested my much simpler bonehead/pro variant for RRs.

Roster #3 resembles halflings because they scuk, but they've got the potential to become a very good team which halflings don't. That is if they suffer through major growing pains and get a decent roll or two on an ogre. Otherwise, they play like a souped-up goblin team as most coaches start with a majority of goblin players (6 of 11). So, they don't add much exciting and different.

On the other hand #2, looks equally ineffectual but it's got character. A team of really stupid players, no matter what skill advances won't be that effective and adds that hafling-ish element with their unreliability. The ogre throwers gives the team some character and a few effective players. As a bonus, it doesn't require and crude game mechanic to balance them out. And most importantly, with cheaper ogres and less goblins they are definitely an Ogre team, not goblins with access to more ogres.

So, where do I send my comments?

Darkson · Post by **Darkson** » Wed Jul 30, 2003 4:51 am

http://www.games-workshop.com/fanatic/default.htm

On the "Contact Us" page there's a form you can fill in which will send the message to someone connected to BB (Andy Hall I believe).

Or I think their email address is also on the "Contact Us" page.

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