What do you think about stalling?

[Dark Lord (retired)]

So because Jerry Seigal spent his first 5 years in Canada he is Canadian and not Jewish?

Amd since Winnie is a bear in Canada the writer of Winnie the Pooh is Canadian? A person who loved America so much that he left Canada, became a U.S. citizen, fought for our country, and taught school here is still Canadian because his father was Canadian and made him live there?
You are something else. lol You'll do anything but admit you were wrong won't you?

[Zombie]

And if that is your argument then I suspect most of the people you are bringing up are English or at least Europeans. The creators of Superman were then Israelis and not Canadians.

In my opinion, what defines you is where you were born and most importantly where you grew up. Not where your ancestors are from (it doesn't matter if you're black or white), and not were you decided to live for whatever reason (money, family, etc).

That is where the disagreement lies. If you go someplace, become a citizen, and embrace thier culture, then you are essentially the same as those that were born there. Whether you do that when you are 10 or when you are 110.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Most psychologists say that what really defines a person is the environment were he was raised, and i tend to agree with them. You don't. That's fair enough.

Psychology is really not my strongest subject (duh!), so i won't get into an argument with you over this.

[Deathwing]

Most psychologists say that what really defines a person is the environment were he was raised, and i tend to agree with them.

Does that apply to bears?

[Dark Lord (retired)]

lol Now it's a person's psychology that defines his citizenship?
Whatever.

Yeah I guess we'll disagree.

[Zombie]

Most psychologists say that what really defines a person is the environment were he was raised, and i tend to agree with them.

Does that apply to bears? :P

I don't know, but it seems like an interesting study to do. Do bears raised in Canada have a different personality from the ones raised in the UK? A 5 years study, and enough government funds to waste, should clear the matter!

[Asperon Thorn]

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Most psychologists say that what really defines a person is the environment were he was raised, and i tend to agree with them. You don't. That's fair enough.

Psychology is really not my strongest subject (duh!), so i won't get into an argument with you over this.

I am not so bad myself. Using the example of a person's environment, and how they were raised, to deterimine what a person is, you could follow with the argument that these people were Americans before they even set foot in the United States. The work done in psychology is done at a very tight local level. That is why good kids can come out of some very crime infested areas, with good parental guidence. It can not be expanded to say that his Home was in location X so all independent thoughts can be attributed to that geographical location.

The psychology problem that he used to originally come up with Basketball was written in the United States, and hence the Solution was also derived in the same environment, from experiences that he had in the same environment, and finally implemented in the same environment, that being Springfield College.

Asperon Thorn

[Zombie]

You're avoiding the subject though, aren't you? The question was whether 60 years lived in a country/environment since you were 15 years old could have more impact on the making of your personality than the first 15 lived in another country/environment.

Like i said, not trying to argue with you here one way or another. I don't have the required education for that.

[Asperon Thorn]

I am not at all avoiding it. I am saying that he was raised to appreciate the things that the United States had to offer (whether that be freedom, or just greed for a higher standard of living, it is not the issue). This resulted in the eventual move to the United States, the enlisting in the army of the United States, and becoming a teacher in the United States. Essentially he was an American before he even got here. Had he been raised as a Canadian, he would have moved back. It is not as if it was 2 million miles away. He was free to take his eventual pension and move back and spend the rest of his days enjoying what made him, him.

The second part is the Environment that spawned the creation of Basketball. As each event in everyone's life spawns new choices and ideas, there are more events that can be tied to Springfield than Canada for that particular invention. There are some things that can be attributed to his roots, BUT that does not take precedence over the immediate problem that he faced, or further the idea that the creation was spawned in Canada. Had he remained in Canada the circumstances that lead to Basketball would not have occured, and we would all either be focusing on Hockey, or an entirely different sport during the winter.

Asperon Thorn

[Dark Lord (retired)]

Actually I thought the topic was that we "stole" all this stuff. That somehow it was Canadian at one time and we came in (the imperialist hungry pigs that we are ) and stole it.

Isn't that what the original contention was?

[Zombie]

Ok thanks Asperon Thorn, i get what you're saying now.

I still disagree, but i understand your point of view and see how it makes sense.

[Asperon Thorn]

Ok thanks Asperon Thorn, i get what you're saying now.

I still disagree, but i understand your point of view and see how it makes sense.

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Well I guess thats as close as we are going to get.

If it is not too vain of me, and with Z-mans consent, I would like to request a Mod to lock the thread, the original topic has been done to death anyway, and this basketball argument was the only thing sustaining it.

Asperon Thorn

[GalakStarscraper]

Locked by request ... if someone really needs to keep thrashing on basketball and its origins let me know.

Galak