Chaos Dwarves desperately need help with High Elves

C-N · Post by **C-N** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 9:58 am

I hope your game went well! And yes, you should get a Minotaur. I know that a lot of people think that they are bad, what with Wild Animal and everything, but in my experience, they usually pay off in the end anyway.

Cheers,
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C-N

scrollmaster · Post by **scrollmaster** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 10:53 am

My game did go well, thanks, I won for the first time since I joined this league (and that was even with a Bull missing the game)

HOWEVER, it was one of those victories which was based on luck as much as gameplay. The Dak Elves player roll rediculously many 1s and I rolled what I needed when I needed it. for example even in rainy weather my Bull manage to catch a scattering ball giving me my goal.

I didn't do any damage what so ever though. the games only casualty was one of my goblins dying.

I won the kick off roll but chose to kick and used all of first half to hold him. And in second half I slowly moved down, but lost the ball only to get it back on the scatter I mentioned above.

One thing though, looking back I should have chosen Mighty Blows for my Dwarves. I cannot seem to get the Guards right. They always end up far away from were they would be of any use.... I'll have to work on that

But eventhough I won on luck, I used all the advice I got here which I can now know were healthy advice, thanks again guys

C-N · Post by **C-N** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 11:28 am

Yup, CDs far away from the real action is a common enough sight... and that is why MB is such a sure fire skill on them. The unlucky bastards that are near them will get pounced. And if noone is around - you can actually move your CDs closer to the ball!

Cheers,
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C-D

Nermal · Post by **Nermal** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 12:57 pm

might blow as a skill is not as powerfull as it used to be (what with having to choose between +1 to armour or injury)

i have that skill on my minataur and he has had cas's racked up thanks to it.

i always choose to add it to the armour as i find that a player on the floor with his face down is better than face up.

C-N · Post by **C-N** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 1:41 pm

You know that you can choose to use Mighty Blow *after* you have rolled the armour roll, right? It works in the same way as for example Dodge, where you use the skill if you fail the the roll. That means that if you don't have to use it on the armour roll, ie you beat the armour, it is still there for the injury roll. But you are right in that you can't use it for both on the same hit.

Cheers,
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C-N

scrollmaster · Post by **scrollmaster** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 1:46 pm

I think Mighty Blow is fine as it is for the main goal would be, as you say, to get players on their belly, which in turn will give the CDs just some more time to move into position. If the players are KOed or injured, great, but hte main goal is to get thorugh the armour to give the CDs some time

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 1:50 pm

Quick point on the Minotaur. Don't get one. Not in our league. You'll suffer for it. I did.

If there was ever a league full of players who will rip you apart for having a WA on your team it is the ECBBL.

At least hold off to see if there's a change in the WA rules (oh please god let there be such a change) come October. I'll be sacking my Rat Ogre this season if there's no change to WA.

Marcus

C-N · Post by **C-N** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:02 pm

Marcus wrote:Quick point on the Minotaur. Don't get one. Not in our league. You'll suffer for it. I did.
Marcus

I don't agree. But then my Mino has been pretty successful. One thing to remember, though, is that the Minotaur should be used on *defence*, especially when you are attacking. In those positions WA is never much of a hassle. With two Bull Centaurs and six Chaos Dwarfs, you usually punch hard enough in the attack without the minotaur.

If you really want him in the attack, remember to team him up with a Chaos Dwarf. Although the dwarf won't be able to assist the mino in an attack, he is quite good at removing the opponents assists!

Cheers,
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C-N

scrollmaster · Post by **scrollmaster** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:15 pm

Thanks for the tip Mark I have heard about the problems with your rat ogre but I figured leaving the minotaur as the last defence might work, but so far I haven't made my mind up or collected the money to buy it (if those hobgoblins would just stop dying.....)

I asume you used your Rat Ogre for a more attack minded role than a "goal keeper" type player

All in all I think the Bull Centaurs have done a good job, but looking at the up coming league with St 5 Bull Centaurs and kick ass Black Orcs (not to mention the DA team) I think I might need some more muscle on my team and I don't want a Troll as my last line of defence (doooooooo, what is dad ting runnin around me body????)

But yes, I will at least wait untill I am confident enough that a minotaur will do me any good.

Nermal · Post by **Nermal** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 2:21 pm

yea i have not had much trouble in the league with my min either. (getting him block in the very first game does not hurt though)

since then i have had almost no trouble with him. another player in the league had lots of problems and lost his last game in a grand style thanks to a min that could not stay up, however there have been 2 tactics deployed against them. either post a freebooter (or some such useless player) next to the WA or overman him with 4 line men leaving him a 2 dice block in the limeman's favour

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 3:17 pm

Doesn't matter where you play him. The coaches in our league will use him to force errors. I tried the defensive sweeper role but all it really does is give up the backfield as you can't keep enough players up near the line to blunt the run. Then you simply find your RO swamped by recievers, begging for him to cause a turnover.

I am acutely aware that a number of people have used a Wild Animal successfully under the current rules. I am simply stating that ours is one league in which the quality of the opposition is such that they are more of a hindrance than a help.

As Scrollmaster is new to our league and still a little rusty I am certain that if he took a Minotaur he'd suffer for it.

Marcus

Nermal · Post by **Nermal** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 3:32 pm

sounds like it. i was just letting people know it happens both ways.

Ddraig Coch · Post by **Ddraig Coch** » Fri Sep 06, 2002 6:45 pm

When the minotaur gets block, his Wild Animal drawback isn't so bad. Without Block, they are asking for trouble.

scrollmaster · Post by **scrollmaster** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:09 am

eventhough... having played a few games in ECBBL I'll take Mark's word for it over anything else. If he couldn't use it succesfully there is no way I can.

The Bulls will have to do.

McDeth · Post by **McDeth** » Mon Sep 09, 2002 10:31 am

If you desperately need a Big Guy, take a troll. I know its not really in flavour with CD's but their allowed. Really stupid isn't really a problem as he'll be there on LOS Soaking up punishment, and more than likely to be supported by CD's anyway.

Just for the record, i agree with Marcus. Dont take a Minotaur.

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